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2020 BMW F87 M2 CS (6MT) | 18 | 20.22% | |
2020 Porsche 718 GT4 (6MT) | 60 | 67.42% | |
Neither. Both are overpriced for what you get | 11 | 12.36% | |
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01-04-2020, 08:27 PM | #23 | |
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It's fascinating to me that the headline is "Porsche admits turbo four was a mistake." But, notice that Porsche doesn't seem to have plans to put NA6 engines back into all the Cayman & Boxster trims. Instead, what Porsche plans to do is offer a VERY EXPENSIVE / HIGH END trim, potentially ABOVE the current GTS trim with the NA6, and the base and S trims will continue to have the turbo 4 engines. So, in other words, Porsche is doing what it does best: price discrimination. Meaning, you force your customers to reveal to you their true willingness to pay, and then you charge them for every single dime you possibly can. The reason that Porsche can offer so many options in their configurator, and why although a base Cayman costs < $60k, but by the time you've included all the options you want, it's $80k, is because they use a manufacturing technique called Lean, which enables them to have incredibly flexible production and incorporate true customization. And it's through customization that customers reveal their true willingness to pay. Their re-introduction of the NA6 engine into the Cayman & Boxster isn't them admitting any kind of mistake. It's just them taking advantage of customers showing their true colors and getting those customers to pay through the nose. For example, I personally love the turbo-4 and prefer it to NA6. So, my willingness to pay a premium for the NA6 is $0. However, clearly, there's an enthusiast / "purist" segment with a willingness to pay premium of > $20k. So, by using price discrimination, Porsche extracts my maximum willingness to pay by offering me a turbo-4 Cayman at $60k and they extract $80k from the purist by offering the purist a NA6. It's genius! |
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01-05-2020, 03:39 AM | #26 |
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Check out the existing thread in the "vs" section: M2CS vs 718 GT4
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01-05-2020, 03:44 AM | #27 |
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The current GT4 already HAS a 4.0... If you're referring to the "other" 4.0 from the GT3, Porsche has already said there's no chance of that lump (the most desirable lump they make ) finding its way into a 718 model.
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2-series with an S55 for $80K+ . . . no thanks. No test drive required. Loaded M4 (including ceramic brakes) for $90K . . . nice. https://www.cogginbmw.com/new/BMW/20...4078aad049.htm ///AVM |
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...instead the M2 Comp manual gear box, sport brakes, sport seats... Why Best bargain right now Most fun Manual gear box Polyvalent sport car Can be easily optimized No need to worry to damage carbon parts Classy but not flashy No pressure on "value collection" And keep your extra money for tires, tracking, driving coach, road trip luxury hotels and other stuff to really enjoy the season My advise😃 I forgot ... to enjoy the best drifts 🥳 |
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Owning a Porsche is typically never a bad move over another car. Look at values of the previous generation GT4 and you will lose very little, if any, money. You can’t say that about a modern BMW.
One thing for consideration would be to buy an OG M2 and a 2017 Cayman S. You can probably get both for the price of one brand new GT4. |
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The GT4 is a bit underpowered. Not in same league as GT3. Plus less power than M2 CS.
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I don't think either choice is overpriced. If it were, nobody would buy one. 2020 M240i v. 2020 M2C, no question! 2020 Porsche 718 GT4 (6MT) v. 2018 or 2019 Carrera T (7MT), no question, either! How many of the E36 M3 lightweights were fitted with a full roll cage and make their way onto the track (or even make it out of the garage much)? But they are cool! I wouldn't plan to track my car, so I don't think I'd be able to appreciate the M2CS on my daily drives. (I'd pass on a sunroof for the 3rd or 4th owner who might track it - or thinks he might track it - though.)
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However, OP already has a tuned M2, so getting a M2C is repetitive. The M2CS makes sense due to its limited nature and cosmetic changes that comes from the factory.
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I agree that I wouldn't purchase before testing something similar, but I think you can get a decent flavor through reviews. Personal experience, and firsthand reviews. Early M2 adopters purchased without test drives.
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I seem to like this choice the best. Buy the cheaper and more safer choice from a standpoint of familiarity. Then a couple of years later, buy the more expensive Porsche. By that time in say, 2022, the original poster may be interested in a GT4 RS or 911. I think the 992 911 is getting its mid-cycle refresh around 2022.
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