[kart driver]

Originally Posted by Megator

What camber plates do you have? and the steering rod part is BS never heard of anyone needing or selling special steering rods for our cars running this kind of camber.

The street version of Millway:

https://www.millway.se/camber-plates...d-edition.html

[Bewstd]

Parts starting to arrive

[5.M0NSTER]

YESSS! Love to see the PFC pads.

I was skeptical at first. Line no way they will last 3 years. But here we are. I am impressed.

[bentom2]

Originally Posted by 5.M0NSTER

YESSS! Love to see the PFC pads.

I was skeptical at first. Line no way they will last 3 years. But here we are. I am impressed.

3 years? Wow, I got around 8 days out of PFC08 on the front. Rears might’ve been good for one more day, but switched to Pagid RSL1 and didn’t want to mix compounds.

I’m liking the RSL1 so far. Similar bite and fade resistance to the PFC08, but easier to modulate like the RSL29. RSL29 was overheating and losing bite by the end of a 20 minute session.

RSL29 was good for 10-12 days. Not sure how RSL1 will compare for pad life.

[5.M0NSTER]

Originally Posted by bentom2

3 years? Wow, I got around 8 days out of PFC08 on the front. Rears might’ve been good for one more day, but switched to Pagid RSL1 and didn’t want to mix compounds.

I’m liking the RSL1 so far. Similar bite and fade resistance to the PFC08, but easier to modulate like the RSL29. RSL29 was overheating and losing bite by the end of a 20 minute session.

RSL29 was good for 10-12 days. Not sure how RSL1 will compare for pad life.

Glad to hear RSL1 is another good choice!

Most of my track days have been at Nurburgring on these pads, and Nordschleife is not very hard on the brakes. For the most part big brake zones are spaced out quite well and it has a great flow. I'm sure if I was doing a shorter circuit, like Hockenheimring, they wouldn't last this long. I have 7 days on mine so far and they have ~70% of the pad material remaining.

[MagnusT]

Originally Posted by bentom2

3 years? Wow, I got around 8 days out of PFC08 on the front. Rears might’ve been good for one more day, but switched to Pagid RSL1 and didn’t want to mix compounds.

I’m liking the RSL1 so far. Similar bite and fade resistance to the PFC08, but easier to modulate like the RSL29. RSL29 was overheating and losing bite by the end of a 20 minute session.

RSL29 was good for 10-12 days. Not sure how RSL1 will compare for pad life.

Interesting feedback! I like the initial bite of PFC08 over RSL29 and find PFC08 modulation totally okay for me. So I guess RSL1 is not for me. But very interesting to know none the less!

And yes, RSL29 will fade earlier than PFC08 for me too.

[Bewstd]

looking at picking up a rennline tow hook, like the look of it and it seems solid

[kart driver]

Are the PFC08 quiet or do they squeal like crazy when street driving.
What about the RSL1 with the same regard?

[bentom2]

Originally Posted by 5.M0NSTER

Glad to hear RSL1 is another good choice!

Most of my track days have been at Nurburgring on these pads, and Nordschleife is not very hard on the brakes. For the most part big brake zones are spaced out quite well and it has a great flow. I'm sure if I was doing a shorter circuit, like Hockenheimring, they wouldn't last this long. I have 7 days on mine so far and they have ~70% of the pad material remaining.

I wondered about different braking requirements for Nurburgring. Definitely a bucket list item for me. Ross Bentley’s annual trips look like a great way to go, especially now that he’s adding some Spa-Francorchamps time on as well.

Originally Posted by MagnusT

Interesting feedback! I like the initial bite of PFC08 over RSL29 and find PFC08 modulation totally okay for me. So I guess RSL1 is not for me. But very interesting to know none the less!

And yes, RSL29 will fade earlier than PFC08 for me too.

I would find ABS much more easily with the PFC08. Seemed like the difference in pedal pressure between threshold braking and full ABS engagement was incredibly small for me due to the high levels of bite/low pedal pressure. I started track driving in a BMW 2002 that had a brake booster, but didn’t do much, so I’m used to/prefer a heavy pedal.

Could be a tire/setup mismatch too. I was on Hankook RS4, which aren’t all that grippy, and running 3.2deg of camber. So not optimized for braking grip, but a dozen or so days on a set of tires sure has been nice.

I still want to try Ferodo DS 1.11 or 3.12 before I settle in on the RSL1. I keep hearing great things about them. Would be interested in hearing any comparison to other pads that anyone might want to share.

It’s nice there are lots of brake pads out there for our cars to suit our preferences and setup, but can be challenging to find that exact match among them.

Almost as bad as tires...

[bentom2]

Originally Posted by kart driver

Are the PFC08 quiet or do they squeal like crazy when street driving.
What about the RSL1 with the same regard?

I leave the track pads on around 9 months of the year, sometimes more if I have California track weekends planned. M2 isn’t my primary daily.

Neither are anywhere close to quiet (RSL29 is no better, either). Back when I did daily the M2, I’ve had a security guard at work stop me to tell me I should get my brakes checked, and then a panhandler at a highway off ramp cover his ears and throw his head back as if he was screaming in agony due to the noise.

I’ve learned to embrace it and laugh when these things happen.

[MagnusT]

Originally Posted by kart driver

Are the PFC08 quiet or do they squeal like crazy when street driving.
What about the RSL1 with the same regard?

Sometimes quiet. Sometimes slight squeal. Sometimes STUPIDLY CRAZY BATSHIT SCREAAAAAAAAAAAAMINGLY LOUD!

A track meet can make them shift between these in any direction. Why seems unknown to man.

[detroitm2]

Originally Posted by bentom2

I wondered about different braking requirements for Nurburgring. Definitely a bucket list item for me. Ross Bentley’s annual trips look like a great way to go, especially now that he’s adding some Spa-Francorchamps time on as well.

I would find ABS much more easily with the PFC08. Seemed like the difference in pedal pressure between threshold braking and full ABS engagement was incredibly small for me due to the high levels of bite/low pedal pressure. I started track driving in a BMW 2002 that had a brake booster, but didn’t do much, so I’m used to/prefer a heavy pedal.

Could be a tire/setup mismatch too. I was on Hankook RS4, which aren’t all that grippy, and running 3.2deg of camber. So not optimized for braking grip, but a dozen or so days on a set of tires sure has been nice.

I still want to try Ferodo DS 1.11 or 3.12 before I settle in on the RSL1. I keep hearing great things about them. Would be interested in hearing any comparison to other pads that anyone might want to share.

It’s nice there are lots of brake pads out there for our cars to suit our preferences and setup, but can be challenging to find that exact match among them.

Almost as bad as tires...

Love my DS1.11s on the front and DS2500 on the rear. Excellent brake feel and good initial bite. They last quite a while too. I have about 10 days on mine and have probably 2 days left. Just ordered a new set to take with me this weekend to a 3 day HPDE.

[PLF69]

We are two M2's running the same pads Ferodo ds1.11/ds2500 on AP front and rear BBK and we love these pads, wear and performance is very good. Will squeal like hell on slow stops hehe

[5.M0NSTER]

Originally Posted by bentom2

I wondered about different braking requirements for Nurburgring. Definitely a bucket list item for me. Ross Bentley’s annual trips look like a great way to go, especially now that he’s adding some Spa-Francorchamps time on as well.

It is a special place. I don't know if you'd prefer bringing your car over or renting one for a day or two. If you don't mind the latter, also check out RSR Nurburgring and RSR Spa. They organize track days at both places, rent cars, and offer instruction with video and data collection. I've run with them at both tracks and like them. They have garage space you can use, techs who help sort out your tire pressures and trouble shoot issues, and the atmosphere is quite good. Lots of track time.

Originally Posted by MagnusT

Sometimes quiet. Sometimes slight squeal. Sometimes STUPIDLY CRAZY BATSHIT SCREAAAAAAAAAAAAMINGLY LOUD!

A track meet can make them shift between these in any direction. Why seems unknown to man.

I was also wondering about this. My observations are when ambient is lower, like in 50-65F they are quieter at first. Once your rotors warm up to 90F-200F they are ear-piercing loud and physically hurt your ear drums. When the rotors get hotter still they quiet down again. But I thought your description was spot on!

[detroitm2]

Originally Posted by PLF69

We are two M2's running the same pads Ferodo ds1.11/ds2500 on AP front and rear BBK and we love these pads, wear and performance is very good. Will squeal like hell on slow stops hehe

Yup. The DS1.11s are pretty noisy. However, the DS2500s are silent and a great street pad.

[MagnusT]

Originally Posted by 5.M0NSTER

I was also wondering about this. My observations are when ambient is lower, like in 50-65F they are quieter at first. Once your rotors warm up to 90F-200F they are ear-piercing loud and physically hurt your ear drums. When the rotors get hotter still they quiet down again. But I thought your description was spot on!

Yes agree, they are quiet when you start out. And you go, oooh, maybe they have switched to quiet mode now? And then you brake once or twice and..... nope!

Sometimes they squeal on track. Sometimes they don't

[kart driver]

Del

[bentom2]

Originally Posted by 5.M0NSTER

It is a special place. I don't know if you'd prefer bringing your car over or renting one for a day or two. If you don't mind the latter, also check out RSR Nurburgring and RSR Spa. They organize track days at both places, rent cars, and offer instruction with video and data collection. I've run with them at both tracks and like them. They have garage space you can use, techs who help sort out your tire pressures and trouble shoot issues, and the atmosphere is quite good. Lots of track time.

I think Ross partners with RSR for the annual trips I mentioned that he schedules. I’d drive a rental rather than shipping my own car over. I think they offer a Seat Cupra R, which would be fun as something we don’t get in the US.

I spent three months in Bonn on a work exchange, with a company car, and I’m still kicking myself for not making the fairly short drive down there for a Touristfahren lap or two. I wasn’t tracking yet, but still would’ve been fun at a mellow pace, or even in a ring taxi. Oh well. Now I’ll just pay a bunch more to do what I missed out on years ago.

[blitzyo]

Anyone tracking their M2C tuned?
Just had my first trackday in the car with m4cs map, stock tcu and everything else. Went really well and the car flies on the straights, about 8.5s 100-200 kph.

Not sure if I should be worried about the crankhub though, only +60 hp over stock. I know that a few teamschirmer guys on the ring that are running 500+ hp have got crankhubs fixed.

[detroitm2]

After a long weekend at the track, I've decided to get a new color on my calipers.

[5.M0NSTER]

Looks proper Race Car. Well done.

[MagnusT]

Originally Posted by blitzyo

Anyone tracking their M2C tuned?
Just had my first trackday in the car with m4cs map, stock tcu and everything else. Went really well and the car flies on the straights, about 8.5s 100-200 kph.

Not sure if I should be worried about the crankhub though, only +60 hp over stock. I know that a few teamschirmer guys on the ring that are running 500+ hp have got crankhubs fixed.

Friend runs 500+ on track but has a map for track that does not maximize torque on lower rpms to make it a bit nicer to handle.