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I was partially curious what the difference in cost between a regular Megane (the hotter end of their spectrum) and this full out track edition was. If it was 65K, what is a regular megane 265 or RS300 at the time (40K?). I wouldn't get too riled up about someone not appreciating the artistry in a true track car and the boldness of a manufacturer offering something of that caliber and dedication. That's a hell of a car you have! Edit: I priced out a Megane RS Trophy on the australian website and it came out at 65k and the article that was linked in here said the Trophy R was 75K. So seems like you got a good deal on the Trophy R! A 10k markup over the top regular Megane also doesn't seem bad at all for the level of changes.
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I had a rare RS200AE Clio that I tarmac rally & raced too...here's a couple of pics of that one also. I've obviously modified it heavily for racing/rallying but it was very focused from the factory also. The last pic is racing it in the wet at Mount Panorama Bathurst which some of you may know from PlayStation etc.
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So how tight is it when you're coming down the hill through the twisty bits (Brocks Skyline?) before the long straight away with the right hand sweeper (Conrod Straight?)? Like impossible to overtake anyone? Certainly feels that way in Forza.
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Stop shitting on people's preferences. Renault track is awesome, but not at the expense of some other guys M2 or whatever. That's the problem with more forums is it like everyone whips it out to show theirs is longer. These are comments you'd never make to another drivers face at a track or event. I've had lots of races car and they can't be beat for the track but to run down the twisties for some fun or a gallon of milk? No thanks! Car comparisons like Chris Harris' are great because he tries(most times) to be objective AND compare cars that have same intended use and idea. Sure it's fun to see a compo of M2 CS M2 Race but no one get too caught up in it. Inevitably, someone comes into a group who doesn't like that groups car, or can't get one or can't afford one and starts pointing out how you are all fools! Normally it's the Porsche guy who's car doesn't even have a back seat! I've never seen a BMW I didn't like! Some are over done, some are over priced(maybe CS) and some just kiss the mark, but we should crap on what others like! Hell, I'm still trying to figure why anyone buys a Prius!
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I am sure the Prius gets the job done just fine, you know, for anyone crazy enough to want an affordable and efficient vehicle to drive from point A to point B for a gallon of milk . . . I agree, who would ever consider buying a sport car without back seats? I mean, where in the world do those Porsche guys ever find room room for a gallon of milk . . . or a child seat when they are going 80mph at 7000 RPM in 2nd gear through the twisties? Deep breaths . . . we are just talking about cars here. ///AVM |
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So that just really leaves the wheels, front hood and roof - which to be fair, is expensive as hell if you're buying from BMW. But you could buy an aftermarket hood and roof for much, much cheaper, so perhaps this isn't realistic. |
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If you are looking for a track car, it's been discussed in other spots - the CS is not the starting platform to go for. It doesn't offer significant advantages if you are going to go through and swap out suspension, swap tunes, etc. The center of gravity differences are not likely worth it. As far as for my future CS, I'll likely throw on some camber plates for the track days it will see to help with tire wear, and that's about all it'll ever need. It will be interesting to see what the US versions sound like when there are no particulate filters in the exhaust.
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2020 M2C /MP Suspension/ 763 wheels/ Cup2 VS 2021 CS Let's see what happens when you have same tires and wheels on both cars- |
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Should be very similar results, but then your back to comparing a modified car to a stock spec car. I'd certainly like to see the m2C on cup 2s compared to the CS.
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This. But I'm not going to pay 140/150k euros for a CS overhere. Not in this life Quote:
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RenaultSports have a massive following in the UK. They're considered the best hot hatches (R5 GT Turbo, Clio Williams, Clio V6, 182 Trophy, Megane R26.R, Megane Trophy-R). I’d say the RS 182 Trophy was one the most fun cars I’ve owned. (Sachs race dampers, specially developed Michelin Pilot Exaltos, half leather/alcantara Recaro buckets). All of this for £15k in 2005 (£13k discounted - thats what you call a bargain!). These days you pay £6250 for brakes alone lol the ridiculous pricing takes the fun out of it.
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I love how people go straight to carbon parts and suspension tuning as the reasoning behind performance gains from model to model. Cup tires vs Pilot sports is a huge difference in grip, turn in, confidence etc.. The same thing happened when they started the muscle car battling but the deference between the mustang track pack (on 255 tires) and Camaro 1LE (on 305 tires) should've been pretty obvious!
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So I guess all the German vehicles are tanks then... as we better not even talk about Audi or Merc weights. EDIT: Corrected the Cayman weight difference estimate.
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CCB's are unsprung weight, so a different feel/issue there to consider. Also on this whole issue - fixating over certain issues and not taking into mind all the other variables, and the other items like simply enjoying the cars with others etc is a bit silly in my view, hence my sarcastic post above. We've been over this one so many times in other places and I'll still hold up the 4120 lb Camaro that will leave all these cars for broke on the track as a bit of an argument over the issue of weight mattering on ultimate performance. Hell the Taycan will laugh these cars out of the parking lot on some measures and it's at ~5000 lbs, or if weight is your consideration for sports car then we should be arguing about Exige's or Miatas...
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Yes, most of them are now . . . No control over the course, and everything is heading toward the Taycan (electric) realm. Mad power and an absolute TANK. From an enthusiasts perspective, I derived next to zero pleasure in driving the Taycan. At the end of the day, consumers with my interest are not keeping BMW, Audi or Mercedes in business. I get that. Consumers want luxuries/conveniences that come with 'bigger' . . . and power to move it. However, I am holding on for dear life to the lighter and more enjoyable spirited driving experience. I have other options for driving the kids around. Forum members can say what they want to justify whatever they want . . . but are they really buying an M2C or M2CS to tote the family around? Seriously?! Cup2 tires and two kids in the backseats sounds like a bit of an oxymoron. As for your 718 vs 911 weight references . . . there is a reason I chose the one I did and it is very much related to this point. As for BMW, I really think they missed an opportunity to take the M2CS to another level over the M2C when they failed to drop that 100 to 300 pounds you originally posted. Finally, I do not like it one bit, but tanks with more power is where we are with things. . . and it is only going to get worse. ///AVM |
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