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      05-22-2020, 11:05 PM   #67
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So much wishful on this thread. lol.
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      05-23-2020, 01:06 PM   #68
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Did you watch the entire video? He was in traffic the entire time. Once it was clear the GT3 couldnt keep up no way he would have passed him.
Read the rest of the posts; regardless the M2C was not the faster car here.
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What can we draw from this video?

Two drivers are driving their respective cars during tourist rides on the Nürburgring.
One car is white and one is orange.
One is a BMW and the other a Porsche.
Both probably had a good time and enjoyed themselves.
Driver of Porsche does not go as fast as the car is capable of in some sections (not traffic related).

What can't be drawn from this video?

How hard BMW driver is pushing in the sections the Porsche driver eases of.


Conclusion:
Inconclusive due to lack of useable data... 😉


But put same driver in both cars with a max attack lap and the GT3 RS would be quicker.
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      05-24-2020, 10:48 AM   #70
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He stated it was Pirelli Trofeo R under the youtube comments

It's aero settings that provides the added grip at high speed. According to AC Schnitzer, a wing on the M2 provides 100kg of downforce at 200kmh, 170kg at 225kmh and over 230kg at 250kmh
That means, in fast corners you would have 2 extra really fat guys in the trunk. If there isnít any front aero to balance the rear wing, I donít see how it is actually helpful. I guess that is why the M Performance wing is mostly cosmetic.
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That means, in fast corners you would have 2 extra really fat guys in the trunk. If there isn’t any front aero to balance the rear wing, I don’t see how it is actually helpful. I guess that is why the M Performance wing is mostly cosmetic.
Of course it would be helpful...full throttle out of fast corners at or even before apex might be possible because of the down force

The weight distribution on the M2C is front bias so naturally the font sticks better than the rear if running square and one would go for a rear wing first to balance that out. The flip side of that is because of that front bias weight usually the front tyres will overheat first and lead to understeer.

A front lip is missing on the car so yes there is still room for more speed from more aero without looking like an all out time attack car.

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these folks who think the M2 is faster need a reality check
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Very entertaining to hear people say that the "tuned M2C" is faster than a "GT3RS". People realize that the cars don't drive themselves right? My spec Miata with 117hp isn't faster than a GT3RS, Vipers, Corvettes, McLarens,etc. I have plenty of video passing those cars.
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Since when is a tuned M2C a match for GT3RS. All we can say here is that the M2C has a better driver. The Porsche is in another realm of performance/handling.
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An M2C simply isn't in the same league as a GT3RS
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With equal drivers, there's no M2C that can keep up with a GT3RS.
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I own a M4 but sorry BMW fans, no M cars can keep up with a GT3RS or any 911s in general.
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modern GT3 is on another level
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But put same driver in both cars with a max attack lap and the GT3 RS would be quicker.
So did all of you read what the owner of the M2C says in the youtube comments?




It's what I'm always saying - some light modding to M cars, and the latest and greatest GT3's & GT3 RS's are perfectly within reach, and it's drivers skills that tilt the balance in favor of one or the other being faster at the track. And no, that doesn't mean the BMW needs to have a pro driver vs a complete rookie in the GT3 either!

But please, do keep comparing ring times and thinking a GT3 should be able to crush an M 'because the spec sheet says so', it makes it so much fun

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Lol some real clowns on this forum if you think that a tuned M2C is giving any trouble to a .2 3RS. M2C should have moved over several times. The 3RS driver also sucks.

Get your heads out of the brands ass.
Sounds like some really brave statements - so you're a better driver than the one in the 3RS in the video, right? Please, do share some of your videos at the track so we can be awed and schooled by your prowess behind the wheel!

And it doesn't seem like others are the ones lost in dark places, perhaps you can be enlightened by reading the M2C owner's comments?

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You get to the point with high performance cars that the driver is really the most important element.
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The internet is full of armchair racing experts that never have attended a single club race, let alone raced their actual car.
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It’s a rookie move and hard lesson to assume price of vehicle =’s faster on the race track when you get to a certain level of performance cars with similar hp figures. This mentality is driven by marketing and image more than reality and automakers exploit it.
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A lightened M2C with 487hp is quick enough with that driver at the wheel!
Precisely! You can clearly tell the armchair racers from people that actually flog their cars at the track, what's disappointing is how many folks that go to the track still think they should buy their way into faster times by upping the hardware, when they are nowhere near the capabilities of the car. Gotta mod the driver...
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So did all of you read what the owner of the M2C says in the youtube comments?




It's what I'm always saying - some light modding to M cars, and the latest and greatest GT3's & GT3 RS's are perfectly within reach, and it's drivers skills that tilt the balance in favor of one or the other being faster at the track. And no, that doesn't mean the BMW needs to have a pro driver vs a complete rookie in the GT3 either!

But please, do keep comparing ring times and thinking a GT3 should be able to crush an M 'because the spec sheet says so', it makes it so much fun



Sounds like some really brave statements - so you're a better driver than the one in the 3RS in the video, right? Please, do share some of your videos at the track so we can be awed and schooled by your prowess behind the wheel!

And it doesn't seem like others are the ones lost in dark places, perhaps you can be enlightened by reading the M2C owner's comments?





Precisely! You can clearly tell the armchair racers from people that actually flog their cars at the track, what's disappointing is how many folks that go to the track still think they should buy their way into faster times by upping the hardware, when they are nowhere near the capabilities of the car. Gotta mod the driver...
Thank you for all the research you did to get the entire story from both drivers. Absolutely priceless when the GT3 RS driver said the little humble M2 Competition was pulling away from him.. Even more priceless when the M2C owner admitted he owned a GT3 RS and wanted a faster purpose built Ring car and choose the M2C. I am seeing I am not the only other multi 911 vehicle owner that has chosen the new M2C over another 911.
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Thank you for all the research you did to get the entire story from both drivers. Absolutely priceless when the GT3 RS driver said the little humble M2 Competition was pulling away from him.. Even more priceless when the M2C owner admitted he owned a GT3 RS and wanted a faster purpose built Ring car and choose the M2C. I am seeing I am not the only other multi 911 vehicle owner that has chosen the new M2C over another 911.


In general people have to stop their fantasies about car X or car Y and learn to drive whatever they have now.
Their cars are not holding them back, it is their driving skills.

People feel like they need a 991 GT3 RS to crack 2:10 at the Glen... it's so sad. Their regular M3 with suspension and brakes already accomplishes that.

The same thought processes that make a regular M3 owner bow down to the 'unbeatable' GT3 RS is what makes them not push at the track.
"oh no my car is too heavy"
"oh no I don't have mod X"
"oh no my car is not a purpose built sports car"
These same drivers one day will scrape together enough dough to buy a 991 GT3 RS and will continue to be pathetically slow.

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