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      05-22-2020, 12:58 AM   #45
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What a cock blocking M2C...should've let the GT3RS pass multiple times.
The M2C was being slowed by other cars during those times. It pulls away quite easily once clear.
We agree the M2C was in front and appeared to have better acceleration in the straights; would've been nice to see the cars reversed because that specific driver/GT3 has cut faster times on the ring.
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What a cock blocking M2C...should've let the GT3RS pass multiple times.
The M2C was being slowed by other cars during those times. It pulls away quite easily once clear.
We agree the M2C was in front and appeared to have better acceleration in the straights; would've been nice to see the cars reversed because that specific driver/GT3 has cut faster times on the ring.
Never tracked my F80, but even I can see that the GT3RS was applying brakes heavily in some of those turns because the M2C didn't give him space. The M2C was nice and definitely had some go. Also, a very good driver who knew the track well, but IMO he should have made way for the GT3RS. If it was just the two of them on the track from the start, the GT3RS would've pulled through those turns and held its own on the straightaways.
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I have 30 years of 911 ownership and 12 years of club racing 930’s and 2 C4S models with a pretty health race budget towards the end. After 30 years in PCA, I have switched gears and have been a concourse judge and officer. It’s cheaper and my cars look better.

You get to the point with high performance cars that the driver is really the most important element. I use to see it when I club raced in PCA. O.k drivers with deep pockets would try to buy their way out of their inexperience. It never worked other than I did see a clear advantage with owners of identical cars and the PDK transmission were clearly faster at tracks like Watkins Glen. The great thing about these NŁrburgring videos is owners actually using their cars hard. The internet is full of armchair racing experts that never have attended a single club race, let alone raced their actual car. Most people would be terrified just to ride along on a lap of the Ring let alone race on it.

98% of Porsche “GT class” owners are too scared to get a scratch on them and the most they get driven is to cars and coffee. They are not factory race cars but commodities and attract those type of owners. To see one actually being race in the above videos is refreshing.
By far the hardest raced Porsche models in the North East region of PCA is the Boxster/Cayman. These owners will really set their cars up and play hard. As a 911 owner I will let the dirty little secret out that you watch out for these guys. They destroy most 911’s on the track costing 6 times as much money. I don’t think it’s just economic reasons either. It’s a rookie move and hard lesson to assume price of vehicle =’s faster on the race track when you get to a certain level of performance cars with similar hp figures. This mentality is driven by marketing and image more than reality and automakers exploit it.

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Why just not refer to data.

A heavily modded M2C (TPS Performance) lapped the Nurburgring in 7:12 a stock GT3RS 991.2 does 6:56.

Clearly the GT3RS will be the faster car. Now for those that mentioned the driver of the GT3RS sucks he has posted times of 7:07 in his YouTube channel, if true I would love to see any of those calling on the driver of the 3RS to give it a try at beating his time Good Luck!!

Clearly both are proficient drivers and the M2C is a great value proposition specially when you throw some money at it.
Agreed, the M2C and GT3RS just aren’t in the same league.

Isn’t his 7:07 time a BTG? It can’t be compared to the 6:56 record... That being said, he is not “inapt” as a driver, but his driving is not optimal in the video.
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We agree the M2C was in front and appeared to have better acceleration in the straights; would've been nice to see the cars reversed because that specific driver/GT3 has cut faster times on the ring.
It doesn’t have better acceleration.

As posted previously, people who have no/little track experience often get fooled by this: it is normal for the car in front to pull away when coming out of corners because it starts to accelerate earlier. Watch an F-1 race, you’ll see the cars get closer together when going into a corner and then distance themselves on the straights. However, in the long uphill section after Bergwerk, where power matters a lot, the GT3RS easily catches up to the M2C.
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Very entertaining to hear people say that the "tuned M2C" is faster than a "GT3RS". People realize that the cars don't drive themselves right? My spec Miata with 117hp isn't faster than a GT3RS, Vipers, Corvettes, McLarens,etc. I have plenty of video passing those cars.
I understand what you mean, but when there are instances that on partial straightaways the M2C is pulling hard on the GT3RS when both drivers are going full throttle it clearly shows the M2C in this video is faster. Heck even the guy driving the Porsche was like holy crap.
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Ha, watch this one. Don't be "that" guy.

Actually, this is incredibly dangerous, running at speed on track in a car with a roll cage, and no helmets. On the nurburgring itís almost insane, in traffic, no matter how much experience you have. Donít ever do that, to yourself or a passenger.


As for the lap times, Touristenfahrten is not the time to set lap time records. You need to be safe around slower traffic (and faster traffic) so whatever happens is not a representation of a car or a driverís full potential.

The M2C had better lines in some corners, he was using the whole track. The RS, not so much, meaning he had reserves of grip he wasnít tapping into whether he knew it or not. There, Iím an armchair expert too now.
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Why just not refer to data.

A heavily modded M2C (TPS Performance) lapped the Nurburgring in 7:12 a stock GT3RS 991.2 does 6:56.

Clearly the GT3RS will be the faster car. Now for those that mentioned the driver of the GT3RS sucks he has posted times of 7:07 in his YouTube channel, if true I would love to see any of those calling on the driver of the 3RS to give it a try at beating his time Good Luck!!

Clearly both are proficient drivers and the M2C is a great value proposition specially when you throw some money at it.
Agreed, the M2C and GT3RS just aren't in the same league.

Isn't his 7:07 time a BTG? It can't be compared to the 6:56 record... That being said, he is not "inapt" as a driver, but his driving is not optimal in the video.
Agreed.

Which actually furthers the point the 3RS will be a superior car specially on a fast track.
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I don't think anyone here genuinely thinks the M2C is better than a GT3(RS), what I got from the video and from some of the comments is that the GT3 isn't just a godly car where anyone can get behind the wheel and get good laps in - a driver is still needed. As for the M2C, is it a Porsche GT car? No, but its still a value proposition for track work if you have a driver able to maximize its capabilities.
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I have 30 years of 911 ownership and 12 years of club racing 930's and 2 C4S models with a pretty health race budget towards the end. After 30 years in PCA, I have switched gears and have been a concourse judge and officer. It's cheaper and my cars look better.

You get to the point with high performance cars that the driver is really the most important element. I use to see it when I club raced in PCA. O.k drivers with deep pockets would try to buy their way out of their inexperience. It never worked other than I did see a clear advantage with owners of identical cars and the PDK transmission were clearly faster at tracks like Watkins Glen. The great thing about these Nürburgring videos is owners actually using their cars hard. The internet is full of armchair racing experts that never have attended a single club race, let alone raced their actual car. Most people would be terrified just to ride along on a lap of the Ring let alone race on it.

98% of Porsche "GT class" owners are too scared to get a scratch on them and the most they get driven is to cars and coffee. They are not factory race cars but commodities and attract those type of owners. To see one actually being race in the above videos is refreshing.
By far the hardest raced Porsche models in the North East region of PCA is the Boxster/Cayman. These owners will really set their cars up and play hard. As a 911 owner I will let the dirty little secret out that you watch out for these guys. They destroy most 911's on the track costing 6 times as much money. I don't think it's just economic reasons either. It's a rookie move and hard lesson to assume price of vehicle ='s faster on the race track when you get to a certain level of performance cars with similar hp figures. This mentality is driven by marketing and image more than reality and automakers exploit it.
Amen. I will say this. There are always some P-cars at Road Atlanta during the bi-annual BMWCCA event and I can't help but smile every time I see a one screaming across the front straight. It's #$@! awesome!
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We agree the M2C was in front and appeared to have better acceleration in the straights; would've been nice to see the cars reversed because that specific driver/GT3 has cut faster times on the ring.
It doesn't have better acceleration.

As posted previously, people who have no/little track experience often get fooled by this: it is normal for the car in front to pull away when coming out of corners because it starts to accelerate earlier. Watch an F-1 race, you'll see the cars get closer together when going into a corner and then distance themselves on the straights. However, in the long uphill section after Bergwerk, where power matters a lot, the GT3RS easily catches up to the M2C.
I said "appeared to have better acceleration" and I'm glad you chimed in because this was exactly my point.
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I'm surprised no one has commented on the little turdbucket Peugeot at 5:26 in the 2nd video. I'd have poo'd a little if I was driving the M2.

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He reports a tune of 487hp and all intervals are stock.

The driver of the Porsche can be heard to say "it has 700 horsepower" and the passenger responded with "ya, ya turbo upgrade". The driver agreed.

I am just pointing out that the Porsche driver knows that is a tuned M2C with an experienced driver, and therefore giving reasons why they won't be passing.
A lightened M2C with 487hp is quick enough with that driver at the wheel!

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By far the hardest raced Porsche models in the North East region of PCA is the Boxster/Cayman. These owners will really set their cars up and play hard. As a 911 owner I will let the dirty little secret out that you watch out for these guys. They destroy most 911ís on the track costing 6 times as much money. I donít think itís just economic reasons either.
It's the price-point allowing them to tune/tweak/drive the car to it's limits.

And probably some little brother/big brother mentality. Look bro, I'm all grown up now, and I'm coming for you.
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Yeah to everyone saying the M2C is cock blocking, I don't think they particularly watched the video lol
That's what I was thinking.

The Porsche definitely has the legs after the mini carousel.

There are a couple of times when the Porsche driver lets the revs drop too low and takes a while to build speed, but both are going at a fair old rate.

I have driven the 'Ring and can tell you that even a 10 minute lap feels fast B to G.
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I'm surprised no one has commented on the little turdbucket Peugeot at 5:26 in the 2nd video. I'd have poo'd a little if I was driving the M2.

That's touristenfahrten at its best.

Not for the faint hearted. Some people's brains work too slow to let them drive there.
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He reports a tune of 487hp and all intervals are stock.

The driver of the Porsche can be heard to say "it has 700 horsepower" and the passenger responded with "ya, ya turbo upgrade". The driver agreed.

I am just pointing out that the Porsche driver knows that is a tuned M2C with an experienced driver, and therefore giving reasons why they won't be passing.
A lightened M2C with 487hp is quick enough with that driver at the wheel!

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That's what the owner told me and when you look up the hp gains from a turbo upgrade, 700 hp is pretty standard it seems. And on track the difference of 180hp is not as noticeable compared to lets say a drag race. You really notice the difference in the beginning of the lap. Both full throttle and he was GONE. Greets"
At the very beginning of the lap the Porsche driver was asleep, I suspect he didn't think the M2 would take off as fast as he did as a lot of people don't max out before the bridge.

What I will say is that whichever way you cut it, the M2 and it's driver did well. Would the M2 have been quicker with no traffic, I don't think so.
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What tires are on the M2? They look very grippy.
He stated it was Pirelli Trofeo R under the youtube comments

It's aero settings that provides the added grip at high speed. According to AC Schnitzer, a wing on the M2 provides 100kg of downforce at 200kmh, 170kg at 225kmh and over 230kg at 250kmh
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What a cock blocking M2C...should've let the GT3RS pass multiple times.
Did you watch the entire video? He was in traffic the entire time. Once it was clear the GT3 couldnt keep up no way he would have passed him.
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