[TProfit]

Originally Posted by Poochie

Yes, it's good stuff.. You can adjust the dampening, on the fly, with a phone APP..

I always loved the concept of adaptive suspension ever since the late 90s when this aftermarket company called Tein offered electronic coil-overs for my Acura RSX.. I guess KW is the BMW equivalent..

They're supposedly $4k for the complete setup but to me it's worth considering.

Me and you seem to be in the minority on that opinion. lol Not a lot of love for an adaptive suspension for the M2/M2c on this forum. Oh well that's one of the things I love about modifying cars. We all do the things that we think makes our cars better and it doesn't always have to be the same. Besides I like being a bit different.

Just wish it linked to the in car buttons and not have to rely on a phone app...

I'd also love if someone outside of the company sales pitch to install this on their car so we can get a real world unbiased review.

[FSU_Logan]

Originally Posted by TProfit

Me and you seem to be in the minority on that opinion. lol Not a lot of love for an adaptive suspension for the M2/M2c on this forum. Oh well that's one of the things I love about modifying cars. We all do the things that we think makes our cars better and it doesn't always have to be the same. Besides I like being a bit different.

Just wish it linked to the in car buttons and not have to rely on a phone app...

I'd also love if someone outside of the company sales pitch to install this on their car so we can get a real world unbiased review.

You wire a button into the cigarette lighter. It can be changed on the fly. It would be nice to be "connected" to the comfort/sport/etc options, but this is a pretty damn good alternative.

[TProfit]

Originally Posted by FSU_Logan

You wire a button into the cigarette lighter. It can be changed on the fly. It would be nice to be "connected" to the comfort/sport/etc options, but this is a pretty damn good alternative.

One step closer to it being "connected" lol. There are some really great minds on this forum as well as the industry... If the demand and interest was high enough I'm sure someone could get it to work. Hey there's a guy on here that can switch the key fob remote to the X5 version....

[jimmyM2C]

My M2 Competition is on order. Can someone explain what BMW means by Adaptive Suspension? This is from the BMW NA website, and it states that the M2C has an adaptive suspension (?). I’m confused. TIA!

[Commanderwiggin]

Originally Posted by jimjoeM4

My M2 Competition is on order. Can someone explain what BMW means by Adaptive Suspension? This is from the BMW NA website, and it states that the M2C has an adaptive suspension (?). I’m confused. TIA!

Definitely not correct

[Poochie]

Originally Posted by jimjoeM4

My M2 Competition is on order. Can someone explain what BMW means by Adaptive Suspension? This is from the BMW NA website, and it states that the M2C has an adaptive suspension (?). I'm confused. TIA!

The M2C doesn't have Adaptive Suspension ..

[SEAT TIME RULES]

There's a big difference between an "adaptive" suspension, and a true "active" suspension.

A real Active suspension is killer good, but requires a ton of electronics and dialed in software to work.

Adaptive suspensions have to still work off a fixed spring setup. Physics is physics...

A well damped mechanical setup like the Ohlins DFV is outstanding at controlling a stiffer spring setup...
I've run Konis DA's, AST 5200's, JRZ RS Pro's, and Ohlins DFV on several different cars. All of them saw plenty of track days and all were daily drivers as well.

I also had a chance to be part of a Active Shock Pkg that never made it to market on my old E36M3.

Adaptive shocks are gimmicky IMHO..

YMMV
HAZMAT

[ContactPatch]

Originally Posted by SEAT TIME RULES

There's a big difference between an "adaptive" suspension, and a true "active" suspension.

A real Active suspension is killer good, but requires a ton of electronics and dialed in software to work.

Adaptive suspensions have to still work off a fixed spring setup. Physics is physics...

A well damped mechanical setup like the Ohlins DFV is outstanding at controlling a stiffer spring setup...
I've run Konis DA's, AST 5200's, JRZ RS Pro's, and Ohlins DFV on several different cars. All of them saw plenty of track days and all were daily drivers as well.

I also had a chance to be part of a Active Shock Pkg that never made it to market on my old E36M3.

Adaptive shocks are gimmicky IMHO..

YMMV
HAZMAT

Nice explanation. So is Porsche PASM with the electronically controled sway-bars (they disconnect and connect when needed) an Active Suspension? BTW, those sway bars break all the time and are super expensive to repair.

[nachob]

Originally Posted by Poochie

It sucks how non-M vehicles incorporate the M Adaptive suspension, stock; which works great for handling and also it can adjust the dampers, on the fly, to work with in tandem with the DSC system for emergency situations.

However, for which I assumed is a cost factor, the M2C is lacking it a vital piece of modern automotive technology.. Even the M4 CS includes this feature and they removed the door handles in that car; in the name of weight reduction..

Anyone else feels they overlooked an importation feature or is it a 'take it or leave it' situation?

No because every other BMW M just about has it. The M2 was to be a more focused car than the M3/4. You start adding all the fluff that is ruining M cars to M2 and there goes that too.

[BlkSVT]

Originally Posted by nachob

No because every other BMW M just about has it. The M2 was to be a more focused car than the M3/4. You start adding all the fluff that is ruining M cars to M2 and there goes that too.

Absolutely! With all the complaining about weight and complexity on here now, I can't see why anyone would want adaptive on the M2c. Keep at least 1 M-car focused!!

[buckybadger]

Because standard stock suspension is already too good. The adaptive dampers might screw the ride.

[doughboy]

Agree adaptive dampers are just gimmicks.

A Single well judged rate is perfect. You learn the car and know how it will react all the time, without it being screwed up by 3 modes crap / crapper / really crap.

[bri1042]

As much as I'd love to have a comfort-mode on my suspension while driving 10 mph downtown, if it ruined how perfect this car feels at 60 around some of the curves near my house there's no way I'd go for it. I'd much rather be annoyed by rough roads here and there than give up what the BMW engineers got so darn CORRECT.

[M Fifty]

Jetbill has just retrofitted the EDC shocks from an F8X to his M2...

[SEAT TIME RULES]

AFAIK active suspensions use at least 5 accelerometers to collect friction circle data and damping inputs. One at each wheel/shock and one other near the CG of that car in question. They can manipulate spring activity several times a second. The algorithms required to make a system like this work are quite complex.

I'm not sure how the P-Car sways system works...

[SEAT TIME RULES]

Also the Co I know is called Active Shock and they are well entrenched in the Military with their technology. The tech is really cool and works.

[D22M2]

I actually want less electronics doodads in my M2

[AlpsRider]

I think the spring rates are fixed. It's the damper rates that change.

[F87_LCI]

Originally Posted by cntzl

Same here. M3/M4 adaptive suspension just sounds fancy but it actually isn't as advanced as they advertise. A good coilover system such as Ohlins on an M3/M4 not only improves handling significantly but also provides more comfort as well compared to the adaptive suspension.

This. I had the M-adaptive on my F30 and I now have the Ohlins R&T on my F87. The latter is much better and you can dial it in to your preference.

[SEAT TIME RULES]

Originally Posted by F87_LCI

This. I had the M-adaptive on my F30 and I now have the Ohlins R&T on my F87. The latter is much better and you can dial it in to your preference.

After all the different suspensions I've had on my cars the Ohlins is the best street/track setup. I still can't believe how well they manage a stiff spring setup on the street...
My Time trial days are long gone so an Ohlins is in my future..probalblly next Spg for sure....What spg rates are you running on yours?

[Poochie]

I just marvel at the time and engineering that when into the Adaptive Suspension technology and it's real time benefits yet folks here downplay it like it's a flaw or something.

Is it a case of sour grapes?

I, for one, admire the technology and would appreciate its implementation in any one of my vehicles.

Common sense would tell you that if it didn't actually serve a real purpose, BMW would of not added it standard in their highest-end trim vehicles like the M5, M850i, V12 M760i and all of the CS models.

Sure, BMW M cars also doesn't need an electronically-controlled torque vectoring LSD, it can get by with a standard locking mechanical diff like pre-E46 did but it's the secret and backbone behind the great handling of M vehicles VS the the standard non-LSD models.

Cutting edge technology is the life blood of BMW's heritage and performance advantage.


https://www.newtis.info/tisv2/a/en/f...ntrol/EBRqGBoO

[MMMBRAP]

I for one am glad it doesn't have it. The M3/4 is already too bloated as it is.

The more analog a performance car is, the better, imo.