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      10-15-2015, 02:37 PM   #507
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Do you think the exhaust note in the launch trailer is just s65 sound dubbed over, or is it genuine M2. I find it very hard to believe BMW would fake the sound in front of enthusiast crowd with one of the most famous exhaust notes.
Its clearly dubbed over with a S65 V8 sound. Sort of a mix if you ask me.

I'm sure someone soon will post a video of the real deal - exhaust. Its gonna sound raspy like a 1M/M4 exhaust.

Sorry to burst your bubble.
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No, the M2 will not be limited in numbers. But that doesn't mean it will be easy to get your hands on one.



all the people and dealers who think it'll be like the 1M should see this.
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Its clearly dubbed over with a S65 V8 sound. Sort of a mix if you ask me.

I'm sure someone soon will post a video of the real deal - exhaust. Its gonna sound raspy like a 1M/M4 exhaust.

Sorry to burst your bubble.
If that's the case I stand corrected.

Does that mean the Autobild video is also dubbed over S65? or maybe I just have bad hearing lol
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No, the M2 will not be limited in numbers. But that doesn't mean it will be easy to get your hands on one.



all the people and dealers who think it'll be like the 1M should see this.
It's better than 1M, it's 2M
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If that's the case I stand corrected.

Does that mean the Autobild video is also dubbed over S65? or maybe I just have bad hearing lol
The AutoBild video seemed realistic to me. Then again... I have not heard a M2 in person.... but its a N55 powerplant... so its gonna have a sound we are all familiar with.


Btw... speaking of exhaust sounds... Have any of you guys heard a Mclaren MP4-12c start up cold? It sounds JUST like a N54 with a mean exhaust! I was surprised bc its a Vtt6 and not a straight six.
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You don't think it's ridiculous that an M2 weighs within 50 lbs of a Ford Mustang EcoBoost (3532 lbs) or an M4? I understand the price point justification, but that doesn't make it any less absurd. The reason the M2 is so heavy is because there's such a long line of people willing to give BMW a pass on literally every flaw with this car.

More support for my point: The E46 M3 had a 107" wheelbase (2" longer), but still had a curb weight of 3,415 lbs. It's been 16 years since that car was introduced, yet we're being sold a dimensionally similar car that is heavier. In a sports car — where weight is everything — that is the very definition of ridiculous; worthy of ridicule. There have been many technological developments that enable BMW to make a lighter sports car. They don't because it's not a priority. It's not a priority because the market doesn't demand it.
I actually really blame this on the 2er platform to begin with, not necessarily the M2 or the fact that it's an entry level M.

It doesn't matter if they add an alunimum hood, CF trunk and roof, the car is just heavy for its size to begin with. And even that would have not really saved THAT much weight.
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Its clearly dubbed over with a S65 V8 sound. Sort of a mix if you ask me.

I'm sure someone soon will post a video of the real deal - exhaust. Its gonna sound raspy like a 1M/M4 exhaust.

Sorry to burst your bubble.
It's not like the M2 is a completely new sounding car. It's still just a turbo 6 made by BMW recently. It's not going to be THAT different than say a 335iS, Z4iS or 1M.

But to not hear the NA V8 in background is a completely different story. And like Bradleyland said, you can clearly hear the S65 induction noise all over the video, which cannot be duplicated on a turboed car.

On top of that, you aren't hearing the overruns and pops and farts, which we all know is the new M trademark with these turbo cars

Eh, what do I know? It's not like I fap to the S65 sound on a weekly basis when I drive it to work.
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If that's the case I stand corrected.

Does that mean the Autobild video is also dubbed over S65? or maybe I just have bad hearing lol
Nah, the Autobild is a BMW straight 6 at its best.

The N55T is a very throaty sounding engine with 0 rasp. The S65 is more of a howl.

I feel like an idiot trying to explain engine sounds

Anyway, let's get back to talk about the M2!
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The AutoBild video seemed realistic to me. Then again... I have not heard a M2 in person.... but its a N55 powerplant... so its gonna have a sound we are all familiar with.


Btw... speaking of exhaust sounds... Have any of you guys heard a Mclaren MP4-12c start up cold? It sounds JUST like a N54 with a mean exhaust! I was surprised bc its a Vtt6 and not a straight six.
MP4-12C and the new 650S have a twin turbo 3.8L V8
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You don't think it's ridiculous that an M2 weighs within 50 lbs of a Ford Mustang EcoBoost (3532 lbs) or an M4? I understand the price point justification, but that doesn't make it any less absurd. The reason the M2 is so heavy is because there's such a long line of people willing to give BMW a pass on literally every flaw with this car.

More support for my point: The E46 M3 had a 107" wheelbase (2" longer), but still had a curb weight of 3,415 lbs. It's been 16 years since that car was introduced, yet we're being sold a dimensionally similar car that is heavier. In a sports car — where weight is everything — that is the very definition of ridiculous; worthy of ridicule. There have been many technological developments that enable BMW to make a lighter sports car. They don't because it's not a priority. It's not a priority because the market doesn't demand it.
I actually really blame this on the 2er platform to begin with, not necessarily the M2 or the fact that it's an entry level M.

It doesn't matter if they add an alunimum hood, CF trunk and roof, the car is just heavy for its size to begin with. And even that would have not really saved THAT much weight.
That's definitely a fair point. If we're going to ridicule, it should be directed at the entire line-up. The 2-series is just as bloated.
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I actually really blame this on the 2er platform to begin with, not necessarily the M2 or the fact that it's an entry level M.

It doesn't matter if they add an alunimum hood, CF trunk and roof, the car is just heavy for its size to begin with. And even that would have not really saved THAT much weight.
I remember you saying that the carbon fiber roof saves about 80 lbs,so if you added the aluminum hood and carbon fiber trunk to the M2,what would that roughly save in weight?
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I remember you saying that the carbon fiber roof saves about 80 lbs,so if you added the aluminum hood and carbon fiber trunk to the M2,what would that roughly save in weight?
Nope.
On the E92 & F80 M3, it saves approximately 11 lbs versus a steel roof with no sunroof; on the F82, approximately 13 lbs.

Logic would also dictate that had a CF roof been installed on the M2, weight savings would be in the 10s at best.
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Nope.
On the E92 & F80 M3, it saves approximately 11 lbs versus a steel roof with no sunroof; on the F82, approximately 13 lbs.

Logic would also dictate that had a CF roof been installed on the M2, weight savings would be in the 10s at best.
OK,thanks.I thought there was much more of a weight saving by using carbon fiber panels.I am deleting my other post.
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I remember you saying that the carbon fiber roof saves about 80 lbs,so if you added the aluminum hood and carbon fiber trunk to the M2,what would that roughly save in weight?
I doubt I said the roof part (unless I was drunk, damn Heineken ). If you are comparing a car with a sunroof vs a CF roof, then I can believe that. But if you are looking at a sunroof delete car vs a CF roof, you aren't losing that much.

That's why I wasn't too concerned when they announced that the M2 wasn't gonna have a CF. It looks great, and would pop with LBB, but functionally, it wasn't going to do much.
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I doubt I said the roof part (unless I was drunk, damn Heineken ). If you are comparing a car with a sunroof vs a CF roof, then I can believe that. But if you are looking at a sunroof delete car vs a CF roof, you aren't losing that much.

That's why I wasn't too concerned when they announced that the M2 wasn't gonna have a CF. It looks great, and would pop with LBB, but functionally, it wasn't going to do much.
Thanks,it was a long time ago,so I guess I remembered the wrong weight.It does look great and I would have liked the M2 to have it but I agree that it isn't much of a weight saving.I won't be getting the M2 with the sunroof.
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I doubt I said the roof part (unless I was drunk, damn Heineken ). If you are comparing a car with a sunroof vs a CF roof, then I can believe that. But if you are looking at a sunroof delete car vs a CF roof, you aren't losing that much.

That's why I wasn't too concerned when they announced that the M2 wasn't gonna have a CF. It looks great, and would pop with LBB, but functionally, it wasn't going to do much.
Even with sunroof factored in, it "only" amounts to about 44 lbs on the M2's older siblings. Just FYI
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If that's the case I stand corrected.

Does that mean the Autobild video is also dubbed over S65? or maybe I just have bad hearing lol
Adem1534


Here is the real unadulterated M2 exhaust sound...

https://soundcloud.com/hwittich/bmw-m2
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Here is the real unadulterated M2 exhaust sound...

https://soundcloud.com/hwittich/bmw-m2
What the hell is with all the overrun? I think every manufacturer is going way overboard with it personally.
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What the hell is with all the overrun? I think every manufacturer is going way overboard with it personally.
I'll have to agree here about the general trend.
Although to be fair, the M2's exhaust and overrun sounds better than the F8x.

For the record, I'm a sucker for exhaust burbles, pops, and backfires.
On my E46 & E90, i always loved when the exhaust is hot and i get a little pop from the exhaust when shifting and during decel.

But its gotten to a point where all these manufacturers have gone overboard with the overruns and it ends up sounding artificial.
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I'll have to agree here about the general trend.
Although to be fair, the M2's exhaust and overrun sounds better than the F8x.

For the record, I'm a sucker for exhaust burbles, pops, and backfires.
On my E46 & E90, i always loved when the exhaust is hot and i get a little pop from the exhaust when shifting and during decel.

But its gotten to a point where all these manufacturers have gone overboard with the overruns and it ends up sounding artificial.
Much better than the F8x's fart, but this is still too much.

My E92 is catless, so I get 1 bang/pop when I shift the 6MT. There's absolutely no need to have a constant machine gun sound every time I let off the gas.

I blame Jaguar for starting this with their F-Type
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I actually really blame this on the 2er platform to begin with, not necessarily the M2 or the fact that it's an entry level M.

It doesn't matter if they add an alunimum hood, CF trunk and roof, the car is just heavy for its size to begin with. And even that would have not really saved THAT much weight.
That and if they had gone to the M3/4 levels of weight savings, you wouldn't have seen a starting price in the low 50's - it would have driven the cost up significantly.

I think we will see true weight savings in the CSL - which should get the combined treatment of both our combined posts.

Maybe even a higher redline too?
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