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Granted, the PSS tires are better suited for a cold track as they warm up faster. The Cup2 tires would not perform at all at that temperature. However, the Cup2's on a warm track are almost magical. I think we'd all like to see M2C vs M2CS on the same tires and steelies. The M2CS will certainly be faster due to slightly lower weight and more power but how much faster? Of course, none of this matters. Even as a track instructor, I don't go to the race track to race, I go to have fun. The only thing that matters is how much fun the car is to drive.
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CS sure is a nice upgrade. Hope BMW will keep it that way..... So to keep the M2 Competition cheaper at a more "reasonable/affordable" price. I don't have the skill for experiencing a couple seconds faster lap time anyway
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Where am I getting that number. Simple. Look at the markup on M3/M4 CS. Look at the parts on the M2 CS. Look at the Belgium price listed. When you are done with all that you are around 100k which some dealers will sell at. Then you have people on a list already that will try to cash in along with other dealers marking up their units. So realistically best case 100k worst case 120k. Where you thinking 70k? The BMW CF roof and hood will push it past 70k alone.
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If the only hardware difference is Adaptive suspension it's really tough to justify spending big cheddar on the CS version.
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Nothing lasts forever I suppose, M4 CS is being discounted heavily into the 70’s atm
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This thread confirms what can sometimes happen with a 2 year tease. Unless it's epic, it can feel a bit disappointing.
Maybe not because it actually is disappointing but because there are no longer any actual surprises. I've no doubt the M2CS will be a fantastic car, rave reviews and be the ultimate M2, however reading these comments it seems many feel underwhelmed. Sometimes just a 'boom' surprise car from nowhere would be great....but the what would we read here and in 2019 who can actually keep a secret. Congrats to those who have one on order. I wonder if my local dealer has an order in, would like to see in the metal.
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To sport auto's credit, they publish the temperature data for very good reason. All of the lap time publications should do the same, but it makes for a more sensational/easier story publishing big time gaps rather than acknowledging the nuances involved with lap times, e.g., ambient temps, track temp, track conditions (rubbered in vs. not), recent precipitation, etc. All of which can work to create 2-3 second gaps between virtually equal cars.
So yeah, testing conditions alone disqualify a meaningful lap time comparison here. The difference between 90 degrees and 34 degrees is seconds per lap. Granted, I’ve never tracked in mid-30s. But in low 40s, provided the tires are warm, car is a monster. Confident that you could get coax PSS into operating window in the 30s. (Acceleration data implies the Comp was hooked up just fine.) On the other hand, 90 degrees ambient is way too hot for a true best lap time, no matter the tire. All of that aside, I do think some are expecting too much gain from these special editions. The contemporary base M2/3/4 is an incredibly competent starting platform. Not like the E46 or E9X where streetable mods easily net 5-6 seconds a lap, or more. BMW chassis development was amazing with the latest gens. The gap between Michelin’s top tier high performance street tires (PSS, PS4S) and the STAR SPEC Cup 2 is similarly narrowed (over one hot lap). The value will be experiential more than just knock your socks off outright pace advantage. Bet the CS will be a substantially better car to drive and enjoy on track, including durability.
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All the folks saying that a 2.1 seconds difference around a ~2 min track is meaningless, that the M2cs had better conditions than the M2C and that CBB provide a significant advantage don't know much about tracking cars...
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Side-note: the German article also reveals that the M2 CS world premiere will take place in November at the L.A. Auto Show ("Seine Weltpremiere findet im November statt, auf der L.A. Auto Show").
L.A. Auto Show 2019 = Nov 22 - Dec 1, 2019 (see here).
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From the pictures, the M2cs tested has the standard exhaust and not the Titanium M-Performance one.
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2.1 seconds faster on a 1:55 track is significant. I mean, we've known what this car was going to be for many months now, what did you guys expect? This is the first and only M2 available with adaptive suspension, and its going to have the absolute best set up of any F generation M car, along with all the development and calibration knowledge that M GMBH has leRned over the past 7 years baked into it.
I retrofitted the full M3CS suspension onto my 2015, and that alone changed the driving experience of my car significantly. And that's coming from a car that already had an adaptive suspension. I would expect 50 more hp and adaptive suspension to make a significant difference in how this car drives as well. Here's what's going to happen in 8 months: the people who actually drive a CS will love it, and the ones who don't will claim it's overpriced and not any better than the M2C.
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