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      11-17-2017, 02:13 PM   #67
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Neat car, but this thing has been modded to the moon and is on cup2’s, of course it’s going to be fast
The sport cup2s might shave a second on such a short course. It's the crazy mods and driver skill that contributed to the utter raping of this track.
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Very poor placement of that camera, no doubt about it!

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You really can't expect me to sit through a video where the center focus is the ' A pillar ' do you ?
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The sport cup2s might shave a second on such a short course. It's the crazy mods and driver skill that contributed to the utter raping of this track.
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And that M-DCT..!!
Yeah well, he would've had more fun with the 6MT
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I highly doubt that he could have had any more fun.

And he had no time to take his hands off the wheel... Go figure!

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Please bring back the e46, best looking M3 ever, but we know this.
Time to move on.
You missed the point, happens quite frequently on these boards
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You missed the point, happens quite frequently on these boards
But you didn't make a point. Just repeated an overused sentiment... which I would love if BMW acted on for nostalgic reasons only. If the M2 (aka, today's M3 of old) had the fit and finish of the current F80/82/83's, I know what I'd be driving.
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Ok I get that.

I'd buy a 991 GT2RS WP, 488, Ferrari 812, Ultima GTR 720, Polo RX and Caterham 620R before this car but only the Caterham is less expensive where I live and it's even less a daily than the M2 CRS

Can you name the list of your 10 cars please?

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For some of my choices there would also be nice pocket change left. And trying to keep the list to cars available in the US - there is a far bigger selection in Europe.

I’d buy a Radical plus an X5M to tow it. New 911 GT3 stick. McLaren 570S. AMG GTR. Viper ACR with X5 tow truck. Upcoming Corvette ZR1. Caterham 620 or Supercharged Atom, with X5M tow truck. Camaro ZL1 1LE with a 911 daily driver. M4 GT4 (with some lame pickup truck for towing).

Ok the last one is a stretch, I doubt I could get one if I’m not actually racing it.

Honestly I see the value of this car as a novelty item, as in hey look what I got, it’s as fast as yours but it’s a cute little BMW. Beyond that aspect, I think many of the cars mentioned above are better driving, better looking, more special and factory-engineered with warranties etc. For me in particular, the GT3 or the GTR would be no-brainers.
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Ok I get that.

I'd buy a 991 GT2RS WP, 488, Ferrari 812, Ultima GTR 720, Polo RX and Caterham 620R before this car but only the Caterham is less expensive where I live and it's even less a daily than the M2 CRS

Can you name the list of your 10 cars please?

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Definitely not a daily driver but road registered and definitely more fun on track than almost anything else. No driver aids. 2 litre NA making about 245hp chasing cup and RS at track yesterday. However also nice to get back into the comfy M2 for the DD duties.
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For some of my choices there would also be nice pocket change left. And trying to keep the list to cars available in the US - there is a far bigger selection in Europe.

I’d buy a Radical plus an X5M to tow it. New 911 GT3 stick. McLaren 570S. AMG GTR. Viper ACR with X5 tow truck. Upcoming Corvette ZR1. Caterham 620 or Supercharged Atom, with X5M tow truck. Camaro ZL1 1LE with a 911 daily driver. M4 GT4 (with some lame pickup truck for towing).

Ok the last one is a stretch, I doubt I could get one if I’m not actually racing it.

Honestly I see the value of this car as a novelty item, as in hey look what I got, it’s as fast as yours but it’s a cute little BMW. Beyond that aspect, I think many of the cars mentioned above are better driving, better looking, more special and factory-engineered with warranties etc. For me in particular, the GT3 or the GTR would be no-brainers.

I understand. I do track and driftdays and think the CSR would suit me rather well, watching those videos, just like the 620R.

It's what car suits you best isn't it? Balance, FR layout , lsd that kind of stuff.

I chose 991 GT2RS WP because just impressive and faster than anything else, 488 because competent Ferrari and new, 812, because FR V12.

I don't want stuff like AMG, Vipers , Camaros and Corvettes, I just like them(off course) but that's all. Well AMG I'd buy I guess. Way too big footprints (just like 812 but hey Ferrari)



McLaren also great stuff. Period. But I like Ferrari better. (Except for F1/GTR/LM off course priceless)


But still, for that pricetag M2CSR is unbeatable( except for 620R) and you don't drive a Radical or Atom as a daily....

Lookswise (except for the rear wing) I think M2CSR looks better than 80% of the cars you mentioned lol but that's imo.
And off course I think a one off M2CSR is more special and definitely racelike engineered(just like Caterham, Ariel etc) than most on your carlist....
Only the AMG is the better LOOKING car....


But each to their own.

Thanks for your opinion and feedback!

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I understand. I do track and driftdays and think the CSR would suit me rather well, watching those videos, just like the 620R.

It's what car suits you best isn't it? Balance, FR layout , lsd that kind of stuff.

I chose 991 GT2RS WP because just impressive and faster than anything else, 488 because competent Ferrari and new, 812, because FR V12.

I don't want stuff like AMG, Vipers , Camaros and Corvettes, I just like them(off course) but that's all. Well AMG I'd buy I guess. Way too big footprints (just like 812 but hey Ferrari)



McLaren also great stuff. Period. But I like Ferrari better. (Except for F1/GTR/LM off course priceless)


But still, for that pricetag M2CSR is unbeatable( except for 620R) and you don't drive a Radical or Atom as a daily....

Lookswise (except for the rear wing) I think M2CSR looks better than 80% of the cars you mentioned lol but that's imo.
And off course I think a one off M2CSR is more special and definitely racelike engineered(just like Caterham, Ariel etc) than most on your carlist....
Only the AMG is the better LOOKING car....


But each to their own.

Thanks for your opinion and feedback!

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Robin, what about the GT3 stick?

Footprint, RWD, LSD etc.

I respect that everyone’s choices can be different and just as valid. I have to say I followed (well tried to) a well driven Viper ACR on track and it blew my mind. Also got a passenger ride in a Camaro ZL1 and it blew my mind. If my précis for the car didn’t include occasionally carrying 3-4 kids to/from various sport activities, I’d reconsider my Euro allegiance.
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Robin, what about the GT3 stick?

Footprint, RWD, LSD etc.

I respect that everyone’s choices can be different and just as valid. I have to say I followed (well tried to) a well driven Viper ACR on track and it blew my mind. Also got a passenger ride in a Camaro ZL1 and it blew my mind. If my précis for the car didn’t include occasionally carrying 3-4 kids to/from various sport activities, I’d reconsider my Euro allegiance.
GT3 great too off course. Stick or PDK whatever, I don't care. But I'm not the biggest '911' fan due to layout, but GT2RS does it for me.



I've never been a real (US)muscle car fan in the first place.....though I'm starting to like them.

I want nimbleness/agility (sort of)...




I forgot the new TVR 5.0 V8 stick and the new Aston Vantage presented today. But they (incl GT3 stick) are nowwhere near as fast as this M2 CSR.

It's just this: M2 is just BMW's best base atm to make a very fast daily/trackcar because of its wheelbase/dimensions/footprint. Hence this M2 CSR. Can't help it.

S55 engine bring it on, with an Akra or something like that.

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GT3 great too off course. Stick or PDK whatever, I don't care. But I'm not the biggest '911' fan due to layout, but GT2RS does it for me.



I've never been a real (US)muscle car fan in the first place.....though I'm starting to like them.

I want nimbleness/agility (sort of)...




I forgot the new TVR 5.0 V8 stick and the new Aston Vantage presented today. But they (incl GT3 stick) are nowwhere near as fast as this M2 CSR.

It's just this: M2 is just BMW's best base atm to make a very fast daily/trackcar because of its wheelbase/dimensions/footprint. Hence this M2 CSR. Can't help it.

S55 engine bring it on, with an Akra or something like that.

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The limitations of the rear engine layout is very well understood by Porsche as their latest RSR race cars now have a mid-engine layout and I wonder if this will trickle down to the future production 911's.

Some people think that the factory cars are the best but don't seem to understand that factory models have limitations imposed by budgets, profitability, marketing, supplier constraints etc that the tuners don't have. Tuners also can approach how to increase performance of a model in a different angle. Lightweight performance here were fanatical on weight reduction (the motto of Colin Chapman and Gordon Murray amongst others) as much as giving the car more power...

One can argue that this is a closer car to the M3 CSL than the M4 GTS. I hope BMW with their CSL's series will do the right thing and significantly lower the weight of their halo cars...
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The limitations of the rear engine layout is very well understood by Porsche as their latest RSR race cars now have a mid-engine layout and I wonder if this will trickle down to the future production 911's.

Some people think that the factory cars are the best but don't seem to understand that factory models have limitations imposed by budgets, profitability, marketing, supplier constraints etc that the tuners don't have. Tuners also can approach how to increase performance of a model in a different angle. Lightweight performance here were fanatical on weight reduction (the motto of Colin Chapman and Gordon Murray amongst others) as much as giving the car more power...

One can argue that this is a closer car to the M3 CSL than the M4 GTS. I hope BMW with their CSL's series will do the right thing and significantly lower the weight of their halo cars...


Exactly. A few days ago in another thread where the (any) 911 was mentioned by some as 8th Wonder (vs M2) I mentioned the 2017 mid engined '17 RSR.

Still GT3/RS/GT2RS bring them on. Awesome beasts.
The rest is good but marketing comes into play and those prices.... I'd rather go for a nice Cayman S /GTS instead.

Or a nicely tuned M2 for that matter.

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