[Poochie]

Originally Posted by AlpsRider

I think that a little common sense goes along way on mod installs. You can't compare a roof install or a hood and paint install to buying a carbon fiber fin and taping it on yourself. Save money and labor when it is easy to do yourself or 3rd party.

+1 For something like the roof, I'll pay the uncharge for the port "free" installation.

Something like the a spoiler, I paid $370 shipped and installed it in 30 mins myself.. The dealer wanted $788 installed at the port. And they weren't negotiating on M Performance parts, period.


Saved half the price by buying and doing myself. And no sales tax.

http://www.2addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1006333

I can't wait until facts start mattering again!

[hellrotm]

Originally Posted by AlpsRider

I think that a little common sense goes along way on mod installs. You can't compare a roof install or a hood and paint install to buying a carbon fiber fin and taping it on yourself. Save money and labor when it is easy to do yourself or 3rd party.

Exactly. You have to weigh the options. Buying post delivery doing install yourself or via 3rd party vs buying with car purchase doing free port install.

There are situations where both are advantageous.

But argument of whether port install is free...port install is free.

[hellrotm]

Originally Posted by cntzl

Here we go again with this topic lol. I'm tired of trying to explain or convince people as well. I don't have anything gain out of this so it's totally up to you guys to believe it or not. However, I did pay $6.4K for M performance parts that have a list price/MSRP of $8K in total as you can see below and guess what? They came installed from the port and didn't a pay a penny over for the installation!

+1

The exhaust and carbon tips for example you pretty much negotiated BMWPartsPros discounted price and then got free port install. For an individual that doesn't want to spend a day crawling around on the floor installing an exhaust, it is a win-win. Plus the parts are warrantied with the car.

[Cavpilot2k]

Well, if the exhaust actually costs $10k+,
They're not going to sell many of them (because that is a stupid, ridiculous price) and makes the choice to go aftermarket even easier, especially when there are single path exhausts that fix the less-than-ideal sound of the S-55.

[M3_WC]

$10k for a slip on exhaust. Has to be an error?

[MR.]

Originally Posted by BlackJetE90

What did you expect with the current mirror caps costing $470 each? $1k for mirror caps, that is a joke.

Way overpriced I agree, but expected.

Not for us Europeans. I pay for those things netto, and I install them myself or I have an installer do it for about 25 EUR an hour. And he is fast, because I am looking over his shoulder how it is being done so next time I can do it myself.

In all honesty, you guys in U.S. are being f***ed left, right and center by the way your cars are coming to and are sold in the U.S. The base spec is absolute s***, the car is overweight and the port installation is horrendously overpriced.

I would just buy a M2 LCI or M4 and start tuning at a local shop and take parts from IND... I simply don't get why you want so much options on a car. Why would you decide to do that as an importer on a 2-series...

Originally Posted by BlackJetE90

Are we sure the exhaust is only a slip on? ETK shows opf filters in midpipe, not in muffler like Lellmann said in your interview. Why two different Mperf part numbers if opf filters are not integrated into the muffler? Unless there are other emissions related equipment in muffler?

You cut the original exhaust after the mid mufflers and attach the slip-on to it. It is only a backbox. The valves are not even included. It is a backbox and I think even the carbon fiber end pipes need to be ordered separetely.

If that thing costs 10K USD, I hope it comes by private plane from Europe, accompanied by four hot chicks dressed in sexy army clothes carrying and protecting the box until it is in the workshop where it is being installed by a series of F1 trained engineers in white coats and wearing white gloves.

MR

[Poochie]

It's not 10k USD, it's 10,000 Euros. That's 19% VAT included.

That's 8,100 Euros converts to $9,500 USD plus tax.

Even if we're off by 2k USD due to the lack of particulate filter in the US version, That's still too much IMO.

Carbon fiber tips included already according to the description.

[Cavpilot2k]

Originally Posted by Poochie

It's not 10k USD, it's 10,000 Euros. That's 19% VAT included.

That's 8,100 Euros converts to $9,500 USD plus tax.

Even if we're off by 2k USD due to the lack of particulate filter in the US version, That's still too much IMO.

Carbon fiber tips included already according to the description.

It's not just your opinion that it's too much - that's simple fact.
$8k-$10k for an exhaust is just stupid.
If true, BMW shot themselves in the foot with that engineering boondoggle.
Only an idiot or someone with more money than sense would pay that.
No exhaust, regardless of engineering or material, should cost that much.

Also, they are grossly overcharging for CF too.
Once upon a time, CF was a technically challenging product to produce well. Not anymore. The price of CF has gone way down but BMW keeps jacking it up. It's not exotic and expensive anymore. Go aftermarket.
Like the bonnet for instance. In a year you'll be able to get aftermarket CF bonnets for $1000.
$4000 plus paint? Ridiculous.

[oj34]

Since people are paying 6k € for the Akrapovic Titanium Exhaust for the M2 without any OPF, 10k € does not sound THAT ridiculous if OPFs are included. How much is the retail price of the OPF?
However, I will definitely not spend 10k € for a MPE!

[Cavpilot2k]

Does the European MPE still have the OPF?

[MR.]

Originally Posted by oj34

Since people are paying 6k € for the Akrapovic Titanium Exhaust for the M2 without any OPF, 10k € does not sound THAT ridiculous if OPFs are included. How much is the retail price of the OPF?
However, I will definitely not spend 10k € for a MPE!

I wonder if there is any OPF filter parts or anything other than that in the MPE. That backbox is a lot smaller than the stock one...

I don't care about it anyhow. Akrapovic for me... The MPE on the normal M2 drones like too much. In any M2 I drove with it installed, I noticed the quality difference with an Akrapovic. I personally consider it a low quality product.

Originally Posted by Cavpilot2k

Does the European MPE still have the OPF?

God knows...

MR

[Blackfield]

Originally Posted by Cavpilot2k

It's not just your opinion that it's too much - that's simple fact.
$8k-$10k for an exhaust is just stupid.
If true, BMW shot themselves in the foot with that engineering boondoggle.
Only an idiot or someone with more money than sense would pay that.
No exhaust, regardless of engineering or material, should cost that much.

Also, they are grossly overcharging for CF too.
Once upon a time, CF was a technically challenging product to produce well. Not anymore. The price of CF has gone way down but BMW keeps jacking it up. It's not exotic and expensive anymore. Go aftermarket.
Like the bonnet for instance. In a year you'll be able to get aftermarket CF bonnets for $1000.
$4000 plus paint? Ridiculous.

Watch out, someone here will tell you that $4k+ for a bonnet is expected..

[Poochie]

Originally Posted by MR.

I wonder if there is any OPF filter parts or anything other than that in the MPE. That backbox is a lot smaller than the stock one...

I don't care about it anyhow. Akrapovic for me... The MPE on the normal M2 drones like too much. In any M2 I drove with it installed, I noticed the quality difference with an Akrapovic. I personally consider it a low quality product.

God knows...

MR

The head of M, that Frank guy claims that the M2C MP Euro exhaust does indeed have OPF. The US version doesn't. I can't find the interview at the moment but it's like the only one on the M2C so far..

[Karmic Man]

The hood won't be cheap that's for sure...

I like the Carbon/Kevlar GTS/CS hood from Edison Composites for the M2 better...more aggressive and has the extra cooling vent.

[Cavpilot2k]

Originally Posted by Blackfield

Watch out, someone here will tell you that $4k+ for a bonnet is expected..

: : :

[Poochie]

Walking to work yesterday, I figured out why you guys called it a "Shaker" hood.. I guess I am not an American Muscle guy..

[hellrotm]

Originally Posted by Blackfield

Watch out, someone here will tell you that $4k+ for a bonnet is expected..

Guess you are talking about my statement. I said...”way overpriced, but expected.”

What’s wrong with that statement? Do they not overcharge for every other carbon piece they sell? Did you expect anything different?

[hellrotm]

Originally Posted by MR.

Not for us Europeans. I pay for those things netto, and I install them myself or I have an installer do it for about 25 EUR an hour.

It is the exact same way in the US. The parts are heavily discounted from the parts department post delivery. Buying post delivery and doing self install is most common in US. In fact a lot of our prices on Mperf parts are better than Europe. US just gets a second option of port install.

Originally Posted by MR.

You cut the original exhaust after the mid mufflers and attach the slip-on to it. It is only a backbox. The valves are not even included. It is a backbox and I think even the carbon fiber end pipes need to be ordered separetely.

You didn't really answer my question. Now we know the opf filters are in the mid pipe. What exactly is in the Mperf muffler to make the Europe version have a different part number, since it is only rear section?

[Poochie]

10k for an exhaust.. I am still trying to figure out the logic behind that doozy.. That's 16% of vehicle's MSRP

"Free" carbon fiber tips though.. That's like $1,200 for all 4 separately..

[M3_WC]

Originally Posted by Poochie

10k for an exhaust.. I am still trying to figure out the logic behind that doozy.. That's 16% of vehicle's MSRP

"Free" carbon fiber tips though.. That's like $1,200 for all 4 separately..

Something isn't adding up. The M4 titanium exhaust with mid pipe and valves can be had for under $5k(w/ carbon tips).

How is a slip-on rear exahust more that this? Almost twice as much.

[Blackfield]

Originally Posted by BlackJetE90

Guess you are talking about my statement. I said...”way overpriced, but expected.”

What’s wrong with that statement? Do they not overcharge for every other carbon piece they sell? Did you expect anything different?

Yes, I was. I am sure you expected the M performance exhaust to be $10k, .

[Poochie]

Originally Posted by M3_WC

Something isn't adding up. The M4 titanium exhaust with mid pipe and valves can be had for under $5k(w/ carbon tips).

How is a slip-on rear exahust more that this? Almost twice as much.
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Could be, but I checked two separate sources and both show it for 9,999 Euros. 19% VAT included.