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      07-26-2015, 03:23 PM   #23
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As nef said, Nissan/Renault are known to use cheaper materials to cut costs. That has been Carlos Goshn, business eversince they acquired Nissan.

Only Nissan/Renault car I consider is gtr, because nissan/renault actually spent money on that project to compete with Porsche turbo.
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Exactly, and BMW has more sales than both of them. I don't know how one can say Audi sets the standard for German luxury cars when their sales typically suggest otherwise.
If anything is the cheap one it's Audi. They share a lot of power train and componentry with VW and their S cars are always behind M and AMG for performance. BMW has for decades been the performance oriented enthusiasts choice, Mercedes the luxury, and audi the to be different alternative.
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As nef said, Nissan/Renault are known to use cheaper materials to cut costs. That has been Carlos Goshn, business eversince they acquired Nissan.

Only Nissan/Renault car I consider is gtr, because nissan/renault actually spent money on that project to compete with Porsche turbo.
I hate to agree, but I do. I was a HUGE Nissan fan. Was.
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BMWs are in no way the cheap car of Germany...and neither is Audi/VW IMO. I've owned all of them and can't say I've felt any of those brands to be cheap by any standard. This guy is just another idiot with an elitist attitude saying stupid things.
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BMWs are in no way the cheap car of Germany...and neither is Audi/VW IMO. I've owned all of them and can't say I've felt any of those brands to be cheap by any standard. This guy is just another idiot with an elitist attitude saying stupid things.
Correct. Audi isn't "cheap" either. VW is average. Audi I will say is cheaper than BMW or Merc, but not cheap.
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If anything is the cheap one it's Audi. They share a lot of power train and componentry with VW and their S cars are always behind M and AMG for performance. BMW has for decades been the performance oriented enthusiasts choice, Mercedes the luxury, and audi the to be different alternative.
I thought their RS cars are suppose to compete with Ms and AMGs
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I thought their RS cars are suppose to compete with Ms and AMGs
Which is what they said once M's and AMG's started spanking the S cars in terms of performance.

Oh yea and they only make 1 RS car line a year.

In the market for a sports coupe? Sorry we only had those for 2013, this year its small hatchbacks, come back in 2018 if you want one.
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I hate to agree, but I do. I was a HUGE Nissan fan. Was.
I was at one point too, but i'm only 19 and my parents have owned many Nissan cars and the experience has been far less than enjoyable.
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Which is what they said once M's and AMG's started spanking the S cars in terms of performance.

Oh yea and they only make 1 RS car line a year.

In the market for a sports coupe? Sorry we only had those for 2013, this year its small hatchbacks, come back in 2018 if you want one.
Probably gave up on the idea of competing with Ms and AMGs due to them always coming in last place so they make one RS car a year just to have one in the lineup lol.
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VW is garbage.
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      07-27-2015, 11:44 AM   #33
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I love my cheap German car!
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Yep, you can never have enough power to race to a 70mph speed limit on the highway. Just never enough.
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      07-31-2015, 01:41 AM   #35
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To be honest, I don't think of any German car as a "cheap" car.

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I don't think the OP meant cheap, as in price. I think the context of cheap means cheap, as in junk.

A 57k 4 cyl. car is not cheap, it's junk. That's why it's important to stick to the context.
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      07-31-2015, 11:29 AM   #37
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Clearly this fishfrog has never maintained a "Cheap" 3 series. Specifically the N54 lol. Ain't nothing cheap about it.
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