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Sounds to me you were expecting a grand tourer in a sports car. Naturally aspirated flat sixes sound rough and racy, and loves to be driven over 3000rpm from the get go. Back in the day when people actually cared about driving, the owners manual explicitly mentioned not to upshift below 3000 rpm to avoid engine bogging.
Plus, I am surprised you found 8 speed PDK in 992s better than the 7-speed PDK. The 7-speed PDK used in 718GTS>4/992 GT3s is known to be faster than the 8-speed PDK they use in regular 992s. Can you elaborate on how the 8-speed PDK was better for you? Quote:
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10-09-2021, 12:51 PM | #46 |
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Tall gearing in a naturally-aspirated, manual transmission sports car intended for street driving is a sin.
OP has a great point about the Miata - its close ratios make a slow car feel spritely. My '99 only has 5 gears but they're all short - even 5th! I'm quite happy to rev a sporty NA engine to get its power/torque but FFS, give us a close ratio gearbox to work with.
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10-11-2021, 07:43 AM | #47 | |
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I’ve now driven the pdk in the 718 three times - S, GTS, GTS4.0. I don’t know about the reports you’re quoting but i found the pdk in the 992 to be undoubtedly better. It was faster for sure, smoother when driving mildy, and equally as- if not more dramatic in sport. I’ve not driven the GT3 so I can’t comment on that. |
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So a little update on this - I went to the Porsche performance center bout 2 months ago and was able to take the Spyder out on their track. It's true what they say - if you're not tracking the GT4 or Spyder, you really should consider it well before buying (unless its a value buy only). Those cars, and that engine as a result is made for the track. All its foibles at city speed driving make sense when you're going 9 or 10/10s - the noise makes sense, the gearing makes sense, the mid engine chassis - all of it. Given how close they are in price, if I could get one and if tracking was a big part of my auto experience, I would just try get the GT cars.
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11-29-2022, 08:56 AM | #52 |
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On an M2 you'll also be over the speed limiter often in 2 gear.
I don't get the hate about the gear ratios, that's so Youtube 2020. Talk to actual owners and most couldn't care less for it, it's not optimal but it's loads of fun regardless. Also stomping on the gas pedal and only hearing sound but not pulling - you obviously like turbos and are used to them. But try driving a 981 GT4 with even less torque, step on it and tell me it's not fun. It's just a different fun. Have an M2 and a B4.0GTS (manual, oMg ThE rAtiOs) and both do their job very well. The better car? The Porsche, easily. The more fun? Probably the M2. You can get an M2 very capable with a few mods but it will never have the steering and feedback of a 718. |
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Thanks for the write up! I thought about the cayman gts4.0 for a while, and then placed an order for a 911T. Was stoked when they released a base manual with the performance bits, and it’s “only” $30k more than the cayman, at least how I built it. The 911 in my view has always been the single and only Porsche that really matters. Although I get why people like the cayman and boxster, the SUVs and sedans are kind of superfluous - nicer versions of their VW counterparts. But the 911 is just such a special sports car. They say the gearing is a bit long on it also, but oh well. The S and GTS are too fast for the street. The m3 I have is also a bit too fast for the street. It’s hard to get a car that isn’t too fast these days, looking forward to enjoying a lightweight, manual, powerful enough 911. And I like the M2 better in f87 or g87 form better than the cayman, personally.
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i rented a base boxster with the 4 cylinder and found it better than my f80 m3. steering is better, ride quality is better, trans (both pdk and manual) is better than bmws versions. interior has nicer materials. There are just a ton of advantages mid engine cars have over the traditional FR layout.
i'd take a cayman gts no question over any modern bmw for a pure fun toy for weekend cruising / canyons / track. the M2 comes into the equation if you need more of a daily and back seats. tall gearing is only a problem if you live in area with lots of traffic or aren't willing to break the speed limits on backroads/canyons/highways.
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