11-05-2019, 05:13 AM | #221 |
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This is a huge missed opportunity for BMW.
They could have released a lightweight, stripped out M2 with 400hp and it would have flown off the shelves at $90k. Instead they released a 444hp car with added cosmetic stuff and gimmicky aesthetics which is essentially a modified M2C. I realize that BMW's clientele these days aren't exactly purists who seek out minimalism; but are in fact people who just want options——however this car is a disappointment when it should have been a total champion of 'back to basics'!
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The M2 CS will be hugging showroom floors for the next two years or so... With the massive premiums in the US and the fact that Europeans are not going to spend up to 100K on a M2, this car will be standing around in showrooms for a while.
It won't get anywhere due to it is limited nature. It is not limited enough to fuel the interest of a large group of collectors and too expensive for enthusiasts that want the ultimate M model, but are able to pick up brand new M3 and M4 CS models for 10-20K less than the M2 CS. There are still brand new M3 / M4 CS cars parked across showrooms and dealer garages simply unsold because they were too expensive. 6 months ago I got offered a brand spanking new M4 CS for less than 90K EUR incl VAT. It was a 130K EUR car, I believe... Also think about the fact that you can get a M2C with up to 20% off right now around dealers in Europe. Those discounts are not happening on the M2 CS initially, so why would someone get a M2 CS if he isn't a collector, has a bank account the size of an oil tanker or is absolutely mad about the car. Don't get fooled by BMW saying they sold all 2000 pieces! This means to importers and dealers, not to customers. They are playing the same game with the new GP3, saying they sold half the bunch already. I said to MINI "To dealers yes, not to customers, and it became really silent at the other end of the conversation". MR |
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I like it.
Haven't said that for some time.
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Wife is excited for the car. I am excited for when the wheels get curbed. LOL
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That's funny!😄
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Beautiful but why do i feel it'll be over priced and i should look for a used clean non sunroof DCT M2 Comp
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I like it too... it's a shame most people here will not be able to get one given the limited production.
They really should have offered more unique colors. I love my Long Beach Blue M2C... that color would have been great on the CS... |
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I will say that I really like it because I really like the M2 in general but...
I don't see anything particularly special here; it appears to be an M2 with M4 comp parts, a few m performance piece and a CS interior. One could purchase an M2 Comp, throw on a few m perf parts, an M4 comp, diff and tranny tune and you are good to go. The weight savings, thats a joke at best... why would they pull critical interior pieces to save 5 lbs?,at least it seems they kept the HK radio in this one. Oh, and by default you also get uglier wheels. Is it just me or is ALL of the below already available on an M2/M4 comp? 444 hp / 406 lb-ft torque 7600 rpm redline 6 speed manual or 7 speed DCT 3.8 second 0-60 (DCT) 4.0 second 0-60 (manual) 174 mph top speed Three radiators, an oil cooler, two pumps in the oil pan, oil sump baffle Transmission oil cooler (when equipped with DCT) Electronic locking differential in the rear helps maintain traction both on the track and in slippery situations Standard adaptive dampers with Comfort, Sport, and Sport+ modes Steel subframe bolted to the body frame without bushings Forged aluminum rear five-link suspension control arms and wheel hubs 15.75-inch vented rotors with 6-piston fixed calipers up front 14.96-inch vented rotors with 4-piston calipers in rear Optional Carbon Ceramic Brakes 19-inch forged wheels in a staggered setup with 245/35R19 tires up front and 265/35R19s in back High-gloss black finish wheels standard Carbon fiber front splitter, rear spoiler, rear diffuser, and M mirrors Carbon fiber roof |
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A lot of comments saying there is nothing new here and it's just a M2 with M performance parts. The same can be said about the M3/M4 CS. But then again, that's the point, it's allowing some of the great M3/M4 parts to trickle down and into the M2 that otherwise would not have been possible due to its spot in the hierarchy.
In addition, why would BMW invest in adding "new" components to an end of life vehicle and in such small quantities? Any new exterior component BMW adds would need to go through testing and regulation, that's millions of dollars. The M2 is already a pretty niche model and as we all know, there is not a lot of profit to be made on those (example: Supra and Z4). BMW would rather invest its R&D in their 3 series, X5, etc as their profit makers. I for one love this great last version. I wanted something "special" that I can daily and also take to the occasional track day. Honestly, I don't want something stripped out. Now the elephant in the room is pricing. As I said before, if it goes to the high 90s, it is punching way too far above its weight and it's going to Porsche territory. If that happens, I would be far better off getting a M2C, which highlights its value proposition at <$60K.
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BMW followed the same recipe for the M4CS; why is this shocking...
As expected. It will be an incredible car. My like will be determined by its cost of admission. Adding these components to an existing 2C (as some have suggested) would not be cost effective by any means. The loss of warranty and residual value only add to this.
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Stripped back seats Removed insulation Plexi glass windows Lightweight exhaust Lightweight wheels Lightweight seats Carbon roof and hood Roll cage in Easily 100kg out. They could have done it. Cars these days don't need more power. What they need is less bulk.
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