[JustinHEMI]

I saw the M4 in person today now. Blah. Gross. Not going to grow on me.

Please don't do this to the G87.

[BigKutta]

Originally Posted by JustinHEMI

I saw the M4 in person today now. Blah. Gross. Not going to grow on me.

Please don't do this to the G87.

Did you get to drive it? I have an invite to the M3/4 unveiling at my local dealer and its a one hour slot so I was hoping for a test drive, otherwise I'm not going. I'm registered out of curiosity, honestly I have no desire for a larger car...

[JustinHEMI]

Originally Posted by BigKutta

Did you get to drive it? I have an invite to the M3/4 unveiling at my local dealer and its a one hour slot so I was hoping for a test drive, otherwise I'm not going. I'm registered out of curiosity, honestly I have no desire for a larger car...

No I have no interest in those larger cars.

[BigKutta]

Originally Posted by robertm

Evolve just did a review of M4 on youtube. He covered the aesthetics of the exterior. He was trying not to be too negative but reflected the same sentiments as you. It really is a disappointing product.

Dude was trying real hard to be nice. I'm not dissing the M3/4 because I'm not going to be in the market to ever buy one, but the rear end is not BMW at all, and the sides have no character (lines/creases/anything). The grill is the least of my concerns

[BigKutta]

Originally Posted by JustinHEMI

No I have no interest in those larger cars.

I dont either. I registered in case there was a test drive involved. I may skip the event

[BigKutta]

Originally Posted by JustinHEMI

Bingo. When I first saw the M2 in photos, it was love at first sight, and I knew I "had" to have one. It was when I created my account here. Finally 4 years after, while I continued to try to convince myself I loved Challengers more, I realized what I was really after and bought my M2C, and I am so much happier. It is easy to know when it's right.

I shouldn't have to go see it in person to "hope it's better."

I think I had seen 1 M2C up close at a dealer when I was just swinging by. And very few on the road (there still arent that many around here). But I knew I wanted/needed it. Just like I knew I wanted the Z3M Coupe (which I couldnt afford back then)

[Karmic Man]

Originally Posted by BigKutta

Dude was trying real hard to be nice. I'm not dissing the M3/4 because I'm not going to be in the market to ever buy one, but the rear end is not BMW at all, and the sides have no character (lines/creases/anything). The grill is the least of my concerns

Yep...first time ever there is zero desirability on a M3/M4 coupe

With the E92 or even the F82, desirability was ample, some like the E92 more and some preferred the F82

Desirability on the E46, 1M and M2C was massive

If they fuck up the G87, might as well kiss the brand and the heritage goodbye

[Davil]

G80 is a beautiful car. They have done an amazing job. It's the perfect M5!

I've never really liked any M4 as I'm not into giant coupes but this new 4 door is the business.

If I was a Transporter with a set of rules it would be my vehicle of choice.

The average person fears change. Dislikes change, then eventually embraces it. It's a basic human trait as old as time.

[Karmic Man]

Originally Posted by Davil

G80 is a beautiful car. They have done an amazing job. It's the perfect M5!

I've never really liked any M4 as I'm not into giant coupes but this new 4 door is the business.

If I was a Transporter with a set of rules it would be my vehicle of choice.

The average person fears change. Dislikes change, then eventually embraces it. It's a basic human trait as old as time.

Actually consumers are always on the look out for changes because we easily get bored from the same look of a product per se.

Changes can be exciting if the execution is done right. For one the 991 GT3 visually is more beautiful than the 997 GT3 and the 997 GT3 is more beautiful than the 996 GT3... W205 C63 is more visually pleasing than the W204 C63 etc

[Ratcher]

Originally Posted by Karmic Man

Actually consumers are always on the look out for changes because we easily get bored from the same look of a product per se.

Changes can be exciting if the execution is done right. For one the 991 GT3 visually is more beautiful than the 997 GT3 and the 997 GT3 is more beautiful than the 996 GT3... W205 C63 is more visually pleasing than the W204 C63 etc

Agreed
The arguments G8x fanboys come up with to justify that pig face lol

[Davil]

Originally Posted by Karmic Man

Actually consumers are always on the look out for changes because we easily get bored from the same look of a product per se.

No. Not really. If you develop a product (that millions of people use) for a living as I do, you learn a lot about average people. They always come around though. Good job from BMW. Brave and it will be very successful for them.

[W///]

Originally Posted by Moflow

This. If I look at a car and think "that's a 7 outta 10 on the styling front" my views over time might evolve to make that 7 look more like a 6 or an 8, but I can't think of a time that I've ever completely come around on, or started hating the style of a car that I felt strongly about in one direction or another.

I can see being less bothered by the G80/82 front end as time goes on, but I think its very unlikely that I will ever come around to liking it.

I agree with this. I'm still not in love with it, but I do think it makes more sense in person.

Having said that, I'm interested in the M3/4 reviews because it gives a glimpse of what the G87 will be. Unfortunately, it seems most reviews are of the 8AT (which seems a step back to DCT, irrelevant for me though), but I'm very glad to hear most of them compliment how much better the steering feel + accuracy is compared to the F generations, as expected. Also glad to hear positive comments about the S58.

Overall, I think there's definitely things to look forward to in the G87 IMO.

[Steelguin]

Originally Posted by Davil

No. Not really. If you develop a product (that millions of people use) for a living as I do, you learn a lot about average people. They always come around though. Good job from BMW. Brave and it will be very successful for them.

Like they all came around when Coke released "NEW Coke"
BMW has wrecked design. The grill, the rear, the sides, its just bad. No matter how its spun, its bad.

[ChrisK]

Sadly, the G8x would have been another memorable M car except for the front end.

I bet IND works their magic and fixes it.

[buckybadger]

Looks big

[Steelguin]

Originally Posted by ChrisK

Sadly, the G8x would have been another memorable M car except for the front end.

I bet IND works their magic and fixes it.

I’m sure they will and it will prob look great.
I’m not sure I could see me spending 60-70k on a car
And then dropping what would prob be close to 10k
Or more to fix the brand new front end.

[aftercorbu]

Originally Posted by Steelguin

I’m sure they will and it will prob look great.
I’m not sure I could see me spending 60-70k on a car
And then dropping what would prob be close to 10k
Or more to fix the brand new front end.

Agree completely when new. Used in a couple of years, could be a good option for the 6mt. Fingers crossed on the M2 not getting all the quirks of this new m3 and 4.

[Moflow]

Originally Posted by aftercorbu

Agree completely when new. Used in a couple of years, could be a good option for the 6mt. Fingers crossed on the M2 not getting all the quirks of this new m3 and 4.

Except for the quirks i do want

*cough* ability to turn off rev matching without going full TCS off *cough*

[scoale]

Originally Posted by W///

I agree with this. I'm still not in love with it, but I do think it makes more sense in person.

Having said that, I'm interested in the M3/4 reviews because it gives a glimpse of what the G87 will be. Unfortunately, it seems most reviews are of the 8AT (which seems a step back to DCT, irrelevant for me though), but I'm very glad to hear most of them compliment how much better the steering feel + accuracy is compared to the F generations, as expected. Also glad to hear positive comments about the S58.

Overall, I think there's definitely things to look forward to in the G87 IMO.

This, this, this. The G80 reviews indicate the G87 will have better steering and a well sorted adaptive suspension. The G87 is going to be epic!

[JustChris]

Originally Posted by BigKutta

Dude was trying real hard to be nice. I'm not dissing the M3/4 because I'm not going to be in the market to ever buy one, but the rear end is not BMW at all, and the sides have no character (lines/creases/anything). The grill is the least of my concerns

Also as you probably both know Evolve and Imran are specifically making a revised front end for the car.

Pre launch they already think there is a business case to rework the grill and overall bumper.

Wow.

I've never heard of that on a new release car before.

[NathObeaN]

Originally Posted by ChrisK

Sadly, the G8x would have been another memorable M car except for the front end.

I bet IND works their magic and fixes it.

I'm not so sure. Everyone is fixated with the looks. Beyond the looks it has gained 150kg, the transmission is worse (for an M car), there is no manual handbrake (which also means a worse rear brake), the sound hasn't really improved... I honestly feel like it's almost a needless upgrade. If you're going to revise the 'M icon', every bit should be better. Moving from a sporty DCT to a AT is not an improvement. Gaining THAT much weight is not an improvement. While I appreciate that objectively it's a good car, some would argue a better car, it's not an icon. It's not a 'great' car.

Then again, I feel like regulations have ruined the sports car industry anyway. OPF filters have ruined sound. Safety requirements have ruined designer flexibility and require cars to be much heavier (not saying safety requirements are bad, but they're often needlessly inflexible). Emission regulations are causing companies like AMG to put a 4-pot in their icon car etc... so maybe the M3 is as good as it gets in this day and age?

[TargaM2]

I'm out already as far as the G87 goes. The few details that it's safe to assume "we do know" (slush box auto, sliding rear calipers, increased size & weight) are all deal breakers to me personally so I'll be keeping the F87 a little longer & looking elsewhere for my eventual replacement.
For those not concerned about such matters (which is likely most on here) I'm sure it will be a great car & no doubt much improved in many other areas such as better interior, more tech, more power. Unfortunately none of those are important to me personally & dont compensate for what the car will lose.
Imo it's basically going to be similar to the changes we've seen between the F82 & G82, there are many that are embracing the wider appeal of the new G82 & there are equally some that are not prepared to give up what the more hardcore F82 offers.
I'm not bashing the new G-series cars in any way it's simply that they appeal to a different market now & i personally am no longer part of that market.