[AlpsRider]

I think the M2 is reliable. Personally I'd be more afraid of a Porsche out of warranty.

[Al Bundy's Dodge]

Originally Posted by .Tranceparent.

Inspired by the comment above me: Question to the folks who plan to keep the F87 for a long time.... does the prospect of owning an M car out of warranty worry you?

No.

[Moflow]

Originally Posted by .Tranceparent.

Inspired by the comment above me: Question to the folks who plan to keep the F87 for a long time.... does the prospect of owning an M car out of warranty worry you?

A little bit, but my plans were never short term for this car. It's 100 percent "the one" for me. I've liked BMW's in the past but never seriously considered owning one until this car came along and then, I HAD to have it. I know it'll be expensive long term, but it'll be worth it.

[BigKutta]

Originally Posted by .Tranceparent.

Inspired by the comment above me: Question to the folks who plan to keep the F87 for a long time.... does the prospect of owning an M car out of warranty worry you?

Honestly, my BMWs have been the most reliable cars of all (crazy, right?), so I expect a better engineered car to be even better.

[bri1042]

Originally Posted by BigKutta

Honestly, my BMWs have been the most reliable cars of all (crazy, right?), so I expect a better engineered car to be even better.

I went 2001 to 2013 without a single thing breaking across two cars. Two RSX-S's, the second one was, really, my only long-term car. I had it for 7.5 years. It would be GREAT to come close to that but I think it was mostly luck.

[BigKutta]

Originally Posted by bri1042

I went 2001 to 2013 without a single thing breaking across two cars. Two RSX-S's, the second one was, really, my only long-term car. I had it for 7.5 years. It would be GREAT to come close to that but I think it was mostly luck.

Its hard to beat the Japanese brands, but I think BMWs have improved over the last 2 decades or so. I have no reason to believe that the M2 will not be solid.

[.Tranceparent.]

That's a fair point. I'm viewing the M2C ownership from a longer term perspective as well. Full body PPF to keep it looking pretty, 5k oil changes, parked indoors, but driven regularly vs. garage queen status. Hopefully it'll be one of those clean high-mileage examples I'll proudly drive well into the future.

[W///]

Originally Posted by robertm

Raise your hand if you are a current 2 series owner and you've thought "I would like a new gen 2-series but I sincerely hope it will be bigger and weighs more than the current model"

I'll never understand..

Wouldn't we all be driving E30 M3's then
Or at the very least 1M's?

Originally Posted by .Tranceparent.

That's a fair point. I'm viewing the M2C ownership from a longer term perspective as well. Full body PPF to keep it looking pretty, 5k oil changes, parked indoors, but driven regularly vs. garage queen status. Hopefully it'll be one of those clean high-mileage examples I'll proudly drive well into the future.

I think what you've got a lot going for you. One, you've owned the car since pretty new. Secondly, these are the more basic cars relative to say a 7 Series.

I've owned 6 BMW's, 3 M's currently and I've always been the warranty
As long as you understand that thing WILL pop up and they are more maintenance than a Japanese car, long term ownership is still pleasant. For what it's worth, all my BMW's have been higher mileage.

[Tag]

Aside from the spun crank hub I'm not aware of any other major issues for the M2c. Furthermore the crank hub issue seems to affect tuned cars for the most part. Stock ones failing are so few that I wouldn't really worry about it. If your automobile insurer offers mechanical breakdown insurance it makes sense to get it just to be safe. I certainly wouldn't spend the $$$ get the crank hub upgraded nor would I want my car torn apart to do that.

[Moflow]

Originally Posted by W///

Secondly, these are the more basic cars relative to say a 7 Series.

Amen. Man I see "Hot V" and all i can think about is how little I want to own something with that configuration out of warranty.

[.Tranceparent.]

Originally Posted by W///

I think what you've got a lot going for you. One, you've owned the car since pretty new. Secondly, these are the more basic cars relative to say a 7 Series.

I've owned 6 BMW's, 3 M's currently and I've always been the warranty
As long as you understand that thing WILL pop up and they are more maintenance than a Japanese car, long term ownership is still pleasant. For what it's worth, all my BMW's have been higher mileage.

Good perspective. That's the reason I chose to purchase new vs. used/CPO. If I am to own the car for the long term, then I'd need to get comfortable with the history. While I do not baby the car, it does get top notch treatment and maintenance. Plus having Geico MBI provides additional peace of mind for the incremental 3 years outside of the warranty period, incase something pops up.

100% agree on knowing what these cars are and what they cost to maintain - need to have eyes open on that front.

[Poochie]

Originally Posted by MMMBRAP

Might be an unpopular opinion but I'm moving over to Porsche after. I think our F87 M2/M2C/M2CS is the last proper M car BMW makes/made.

You're probably right but not everyone has Porsche money.. Showoff..

J/k

[Poochie]

As long as the next M2 has 3 pedals, I'm getting one.. That's my minimum criteria, so I'm flexible on its looks, for better or worst..

Keeping an open mind and spending 7 days with an automatic 2021 330i loaner car reminded me how mundane paddling shifting can be, after the novelty of speed wears off.. To each is own and no judgment towards those that prefer the non-manual tranny but if you can operate a stick, why would you not opt for the manual. 🤷🏻

A feature I hope the next M2 does implement is Adaptive Suspension with some 18 inch wheel capable calipers, as roads around my way are war-torn and also, maybe a more refine, Telsa-like auto collision mitigation system; anything that would save my bodywork or life, so I can live another day to kick up more chaos, I endorse.

[BigKutta]

Originally Posted by Poochie

As long as the next M2 has 3 pedals, I'm getting one.. That's my minimum criteria, so I'm flexible on its looks, for better or worst..

Keeping an open mind and spending 7 days with an automatic 2021 330i loaner car reminded me how mundane paddling shifting can be, after the novelty of speed wears off.. To each is own and no judgment towards those that prefer the non-manual tranny but if you can operate a stick, why would you not opt for the manual. 🤷🏻

A feature I hope the next M2 does implement is Adaptive Suspension with some 18 inch wheel capable calipers, as roads around my way are war-torn and also, maybe a more refine, Telsa-like auto collision mitigation system; anything that would save my bodywork or life, so I can live another day to kick up more chaos, I endorse.

If I get a G87 it will be a manual. I dont consider the F87s DCT to be the same experience as a 330i's auto tranny, and I actually got the DCT to experience it before BMW got rid of it. Nor is the ZF8 in an M5 the same or even close to a DCT.

I couldn't care for adaptive, I love the stiff suspension and can deal with bad roads (I feel for you NYers though...that's a whole other level of bad). My wish is actually for BMW to keep the G87 as simple as the F87...solid car with just enough features in there, and 3-4 options like we have today. Its the simplicity of the F87 that I love and what makes this the best value car out there, and hope BMW keeps it that way.

[W///]

Originally Posted by BigKutta

If I get a G87 it will be a manual. I dont consider the F87s DCT to be the same experience as a 330i's auto tranny, and I actually got the DCT to experience it before BMW got rid of it. Nor is the ZF8 in an M5 the same or even close to a DCT.

I couldn't care for adaptive, I love the stiff suspension and can deal with bad roads (I feel for you NYers though...that's a whole other level of bad). My wish is actually for BMW to keep the G87 as simple as the F87...solid car with just enough features in there, and 3-4 options like we have today. Its the simplicity of the F87 that I love and what makes this the best value car out there, and hope BMW keeps it that way.

Agreed. Sprinkle in what they've learned from the M2CS in terms of steering feel and good ride, I think we might have a winner. It might gain a few pounds, but I can live with that as I'll have smaller and lighter cars anyway.

[swampfox94]

Hope they don't give the g87 a ridiculous amount of options. Give me transmission choice and executive package. That's what I loved about the f87 buying experience

[Tag]

Originally Posted by swampfox94

Hope they don't give the g87 a ridiculous amount of options. Give me transmission choice and executive package. That's what I loved about the f87 buying experience

BMW will play the marketing game they always do. They will offer the G87 base car with something like 420hp just so buyers can feel it has more hp than the outgoing F87. They will then push buyers up market with options not offered on the base model and offer slightly more power (440hp?) with a Competition G87.

[BigKutta]

Originally Posted by Tag

BMW will play the marketing game they always do. They will offer the G87 base car with something like 420hp just so buyers can feel it has more hp than the outgoing F87. They will then push buyers up market with options not offered on the base model and offer slightly more power (440hp?) with a Competition G87.

I agree, they will F this one up. The price range will be $60k base to $90k fully loaded with BS options and packages. BMW has had an opportunity to test the appetite for a wide price range thanks to the M2, M2C, and M2CS, and they will take full advantage with the G87. I'm praying not, but if i was a marketing genius over there, I would

[MystroX5]

Originally Posted by MMMBRAP

Might be an unpopular opinion but I'm moving over to Porsche after. I think our F87 M2/M2C/M2CS is the last proper M car BMW makes/made.

I moved from Porsche C4S to the M2C. Mine is a keeper but if BMW screws the designs up down the road, I will also go back to Porsche.
I really can buy anything I want so it’s up to BMW to not destroy the little M2C gem they stumbled on.
I am feeling that BMW can only mess up the current design considering how horrific the M3/M4 looks.

[Tag]

Originally Posted by BigKutta

I agree, they will F this one up. The price range will be $60k base to $90k fully loaded with BS options and packages. BMW has had an opportunity to test the appetite for a wide price range thanks to the M2, M2C, and M2CS, and they will take full advantage with the G87. I'm praying not, but if i was a marketing genius over there, I would

Yeah, these marketing jokers sometimes really think they are selling Porsche's. The only silver lining is there will be one last gen ICE M2, so I guess we can be thankful for that. If they ruin the grille on it this car will be dead to me as is the G80/82.

[nearwater4me]

Originally Posted by Poochie

As long as the next M2 has 3 pedals, I'm getting one.. That's my minimum criteria, so I'm flexible on its looks, for better or worst..

Same here.
Manual transmission is the reason I'm sticking with BMW.
As long as they offer stick shift, I'd buy it butterface or not.
Honestly, I was thinking of moving to G80 for my next car... but I'll decide after seeing the G87 in person.

[MystroX5]

Originally Posted by AlpsRider

I think the M2 is reliable. Personally I'd be more afraid of a Porsche out of warranty.

X2. I will own a BMW out of warranty but only own a air cooled Porsche out of warranty. My last 991 C4S will probably be the last modern Porsche I will every own. Porsche isn’t the same car company it use to be nor is the 911. Porsche is just another luxury car that is way overpriced.