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Like mentionned by other people it became a standard because people want to be able to switch between a comfort steering and a sport steering |
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11-07-2019, 08:28 AM | #47 |
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"I can't say that I'm surprised at the car that they seemed to enjoy the most"
Surprised this hasn't come up more (or at all other than your post) in this thread. I will certainly go check one out. Might make a good DD to go with my aging e92 M. Edit: quote from Fuller. App didn't work to transfer quote. |
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I really want the Veloster N. I will be looking out for one in the near future.
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Edit: looks like a lot people already address it... |
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There's a lot of of room for subjectivity - very easy to drive a Porsche/Audi harder and get better results (if VAG pays more for advertising) and drive the competition slower and claim it doesn't hold up.
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11-07-2019, 10:19 AM | #52 |
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The EPS is more efficient by a marginal amount ~ 4%. Also, IIRC - The only way to get stop/start was with EPS steering, due to the way a hydraulic pump works.
Porsche is the best with EPS steering, but go drive a 997, the hydraulic is better in my opinion. The weight distribution of a 911 and a Cayman really help the EPS, without all that weight on the front end, the switch to EPS is less noticeable than a front engine car. |
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This was a big concern and even led to regulation - http://www.safetyresearch.net/blog/a...ems-come-focus https://sites.google.com/site/uavjw8...eering-columns But yes, in recent years, super rare.
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That was a great article by R&T. Refreshing and insightful. It takes some guts to pick a Hyundai, while pointing out the flaws of the other contenders, kudos to R&T.
Summary paragraphs “For all their bluster and power, their lap times and displacement, most of the carmakers at this test made a deal with the devil—they traded what once made them great in the search for outright speed. Never has the disparity been greater between the capabilities of a modern fast car and what is legally possible. The new definition of performance isn’t what a car can do, but what it will do on a good road. The Veloster N is what a great front-wheel-drive car should feel like. A delight that welds a smile to your face every time you drive it. It cheers you on, treating you like the hero. And it came from a company that had no reason to build it. Chevrolet has to make a Corvette; Porsche, a 911. Short of a giant meteorite or nuclear winter, those names will always exist. Cars like the Veloster N are more special, crafted not of obligation, but for the sheer joy of driving. That’s why the Hyundai Veloster N is Road & Track’s 2020 Performance Car of the Year. We got your letter, Hyundai. We heart you, too.” |
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11-07-2019, 02:53 PM | #56 |
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All cars have had collapsible steering columns since mandated about 1970.
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Other people are going to draw that line somewhere else, and more power to them. If i hadn't spent the last 14 years driving a 300 hp RWD car in the rain almost every day, the M2C might not be the car for me either. Edit: also, side note, the Veloster N is rad. I really really like that car, I just wish it came with a different body (the i30 N is much better looking, has smaller blind spots and is more practical IMHO) |
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There seems to be a lot of crossing the lines between EPS, hydraulic, and amount of steering feel. Both EPS and hydraulic can be tuned for more or less steering feel. Hydraulic doesn't necessarily have better feel than EPS. For example an older Cadillac with hydraulic that has been designed to shelter the driver from the road compared to an M2 EPS. More feel in the M2. Example of the Macan EPS vs say a GT4 EPS. They are tuned for different amounts of feel. Porsche is tuning the Macan steering feel differently by design.
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Get gts steering coded on your m2 and you'll think of it the other way around.
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11-08-2019, 05:08 AM | #61 | |
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I will say, if anyone wants "steering feel" just buy a 2005 G35 coupe with sport suspension or a 350Z of the same MY. You could run over a newspaper and read it, but somehow it still had body roll and was unsettled by any mid-corner bump. |
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Best steering feel I’ve experienced is from my Caterham 420R - no assistance at all is where its at if you want proper feedback!!
My M4CP I think has okay steering but in reality it is closer to my X5 (which has frankly alarming lacks of feedback) than it is to my 7. Ps. I know its not really comparable but I think people obsess about really small differences when in reality they are all reasonable but not great. The feedback you get in all EPS cars isn’t really useful I don’t think - it is more a subjective sense of connectedness (which is still important of course). |
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11-08-2019, 08:27 AM | #63 |
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On a two hour commute to meetings yesterday I drove the M2C in comfort mode the whole way and liked it. I really do think it provides more feed back than sport and sport plus. I don't think I'm the first to say that either.
On the track Sunday I'll try comfort and sport as well. |
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Always have the M4 in comfort for steering. Too heavy for no reason in S/S+. |
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I watch most of the hot hatch type videos because that's what my X2 m35i mostly matches with and it is amazing how much hype and praise the Hyundai has gotten. They certainly seem to have found the right mix. I haven't run into one on the streets yet, really the only one of the bunch that I have has been an Sti save for the TCR spec Type R I saw on the interstate, but he wasn't game to having any fun given it probably wasn't road legal.
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