[Alumac]

Originally Posted by BlackJetE90

Behind the wheel, the difference is night and day.

No it wasn't. What the 1 M had was slightly more focused engineering than the 135. It was not a night and day difference. People seem to equate the 700ish run of the 1M with an amazing car. No doubt it was good, at the time, but it was only slightly better than its 135 predecessors, which is why the M235 outdid it when it was released.

Let's face it, the only reason the 1M is currently pulling stupid prices is the limited run in the U.S.

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by W///

To all you M235i owners. Love your car, I truly do. If BMW didn't do an M2, there's a good chance that that would have been my car BUT:

For the love of god, please stop comparing your car to the M2. If it's good enough for you, that's great that you saved money and are satisfied. But your car is NOT an M2.

135i: 300 hp, 300 ft-lbs
1M: 340 hp, 332 ft-lbs, 77 lbs lighter than a regular 1 series

Those specs look like nothing, but I dare anyone to tell me that the 135i is anywhere on the same planet as a 1M.

The same exact story with the M2, watch.

[3M TAPE]

Please bring back all the classic BMW colors!!

Imola Red
Mystic Blue
Silverstone
Jet Black
Silver Grey Metallic
Oxford Green
Steel Blue
Steel Gray
Orient Blue
Grey Green
Electric Red
Titanium Silver
Monaco Blue
Sparkling Graphite Metallic
Sonora Metallic
Quartz Blue Metallic
Deep Green Metallic
Topaz Blue

[IEDEI]

Originally Posted by Alumac

No it wasn't. What the 1 M had was slightly more focused engineering than the 135. It was not a night and day difference. People seem to equate the 700ish run of the 1M with an amazing car. No doubt it was good, at the time, but it was only slightly better than its 135 predecessors, which is why the M235 outdid it when it was released.

Let's face it, the only reason the 1M is currently pulling stupid prices is the limited run in the U.S.

ha! nope. it is a night and day difference....plenty of us have owned both, including myself...

I've also driven the M235 and it's nowhere near the 1M in terms of driving characteristics....not even comparable IMO. The M2, however....will be I'm sure.

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

I actually think the overall lack of colors (and presumably options) will be good for those that were truly looking for the entry-level ///M.

The 1M started around 48 IIRC - this should start @ 53 or less maybe - that's my guess anyway.

I don't think we will see a significant reduction in weight from the 235 either...

the 1M began at 46K and went to 54K here in the US. It's probably the best performance per dollar from BMW practically ever.. Came out cheaper than the price of the E46M3 and offered similar size and packing and similar if not better performance (aside from the S54 wail).

With the 1M losing only 77 lbs over the 135 by using the M3 underpinnings.... I can imagine the M2 losing the same... plus a little more for the carbon driveshaft and presumably the suspension is even lighter in the F8x... however I can't see the car losing more than 130 lbs or so... and I am beginning to sincerely doubt it will weigh less than the 1M unless there is a CF roof.

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by SickFinga

Your source forgot to tell you interior details.
M2 will have only one interior choice. Black leather with blue stitching

that would look sweet in Black Sapphire.. ..

.. it would go well with all the exterior colors actually

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

the 1M began at 46K and went to 54K here in the US. It's probably the best performance per dollar from BMW practically ever.. Came out cheaper than the price of the E46M3 and offered similar size and packing and similar if not better performance (aside from the S54 wail).

With the 1M losing only 77 lbs over the 135 by using the M3 underpinnings.... I can imagine the M2 losing the same... plus a little more for the carbon driveshaft and presumably the suspension is even lighter in the F8x... however I can't see the car losing more than 130 lbs or so... and I am beginning to sincerely doubt it will weigh less than the 1M unless there is a CF roof.

Thanks for the correct info on price for the 1M - that's an even better spot from which to extrapolate the M2 starting point. 52 seems realistic now.

I think 130 pounds, some additional power, and the M3 underpinnings would make a hell of a car - my 235 suffers from a poor suspension and extreme "floaty-ness" under spirited driving. The M2 should be much better in those situations as a result...

[ilikebmxbikes]

Originally Posted by Alumac

No it wasn't. What the 1 M had was slightly more focused engineering than the 135. It was not a night and day difference. People seem to equate the 700ish run of the 1M with an amazing car. No doubt it was good, at the time, but it was only slightly better than its 135 predecessors, which is why the M235 outdid it when it was released.

Let's face it, the only reason the 1M is currently pulling stupid prices is the limited run in the U.S.

I agree the 1m's are selling for high prices because they are limited - not because they are awesome.

That being said they are a night and day difference from a 135i. I have a lot of experience with both.

The 1m has e9x m3 chassis, better brakes, far superior steering, limited slip in 3.15 ratio vs 135i open diff at 3.08, 1m comes standard with ppk2 (aux radiator, more powerful radiator fan). A huge improvement of the 1m vs the 135i is the body. Not only do the wider rear tires help put the power down but the ability to run 9-10" front wheels greatly reduce the understeer present in the 135i.

The 1m also has a slightly more aggressive tune and overboost which are probably the less significant improvement out of the whole package.

The m235i was touted to outdo the 1m before its release but it fell short in a lot of comparisons- that being said it is still a solid car and a fantastic bargain.

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by Alumac

No it wasn't. What the 1 M had was slightly more focused engineering than the 135. It was not a night and day difference. People seem to equate the 700ish run of the 1M with an amazing car. No doubt it was good, at the time, but it was only slightly better than its 135 predecessors, which is why the M235 outdid it when it was released.

Let's face it, the only reason the 1M is currently pulling stupid prices is the limited run in the U.S.

Originally Posted by IEDEI

ha! nope. it is a night and day difference....plenty of us have owned both, including myself...

I've also driven the M235 and it's nowhere near the 1M in terms of driving characteristics....not even comparable IMO. The M2, however....will be I'm sure.

Here's the thing - these types of compares are open to interpretation, which is what makes the whole conversation fun. Coming from someone who had 2 135s (one N54 and one N55, one MT and one DCT), the one time I was lucky enough to drive a 1M, it certainly felt like a much more capable car. Night and day difference? I didn't drive it enough to say that, but my feeling is that yes, it was that much of an improvement over a 135.

For IEDEI, some of what you say is hard to take seriously - basically because it matches whatever you happen to have in your garage at the moment. I remember the same convos when you had your 135is and how it was night and day over the regular 135...until you got your 1M and that's now night and day better than the 135 AND the 135is. And almost anything else. Your 1M is a great car my man, but I am not sure what else of value I can take from these comments of yours.

[ilikebmxbikes]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

the 1M began at 46K and went to 54K here in the US. It's probably the best performance per dollar from BMW practically ever.. Came out cheaper than the price of the E46M3 and offered similar size and packing and similar if not better performance (aside from the S54 wail).

With the 1M losing only 77 lbs over the 135 by using the M3 underpinnings.... I can imagine the M2 losing the same... plus a little more for the carbon driveshaft and presumably the suspension is even lighter in the F8x... however I can't see the car losing more than 130 lbs or so... and I am beginning to sincerely doubt it will weigh less than the 1M unless there is a CF roof.

Perhaps the m2 will have the same subframe as the f8x and battery which would equate for a significant weight savings if combined with the cf driveshaft and other f8x parts.

[GFK007]

Any info on whether or not they are going to limit the production?

Initial color offerings are very weak.

[nachob]

Originally Posted by Alumac

No it wasn't. What the 1 M had was slightly more focused engineering than the 135. It was not a night and day difference. People seem to equate the 700ish run of the 1M with an amazing car. No doubt it was good, at the time, but it was only slightly better than its 135 predecessors, which is why the M235 outdid it when it was released.

Let's face it, the only reason the 1M is currently pulling stupid prices is the limited run in the U.S.

Sorry, I'm a big fan of the 128i and 135i especially after some of the things going on in the current generation of BMWs but to those that care, the 1M was the best 135i. What you are saying is that there was little difference between an Allison P-51A and and the Rolls Royce Merlin P-51B and D but the difference was huge. The Merlin model made all the difference. It could dogfight with the best Germany and Japan had to offer. I have nothing but love for the 135i and don't want to disparage it in any way whatsoever but you don't get the 1M. The steering rack was much quicker than the 135i which was necessary to keep it from going around on you. The brakes were floating disk units that didn't look as pretty but were most robust than the 135i units. It weighed less even with the bigger brakes, bigger wheels and tires and full lock M diff than the 135i. So while they both shared the same platform and are both great, you have seriously shortchanged the 1M.

[HP Autosport]

Always Alpine White for me.

Please make it ~3100 lbs.

[AT-ST]

I definitely wouldn't bank on it being that light. I think you'd be lucky to see 3300. But likely higher.

[chris719]

It will probably be 50 lbs heavier than M235i

[Petr0lhead]

Long Beach Blue or Mineral Grey for me! I think having fewer colour choices makes the car somehow more special in a strange way.
I think the M2 would look pretty awesome in LBB.

As for the engine: Don't worry, it'll be great! As for the final specs, let's just wait for the official release within the next months
Using the N55 again is a good thing in terms of reliability! Every problem with this engine should've been solved by now...

[david.orr]

Colour wise, AW BSM MG are already common colours in the BMW family. With +42% people opting LBB, it's going to be one common M2 colour. Am I the only one who feel disappointed with the 4 options?

[Pure]

The M2 sounds interesting! I like the Long Beach Blue for this car!...Although ..
I'd like to see in Carbon Black or Jerez Black and Austin Yellow!

And why, I think it's necessary to offer something that is attractive as Austin Y, And BMW should maximize the potential of their colors.
For JB and CB are colors representing power and prestige!

[IS3andME]

Originally Posted by W///

To all you M235i owners. Love your car, I truly do. If BMW didn't do an M2, there's a good chance that that would have been my car BUT:

For the love of god, please stop comparing your car to the M2. If it's good enough for you, that's great that you saved money and are satisfied. But your car is NOT an M2.

135i: 300 hp, 300 ft-lbs
1M: 340 hp, 332 ft-lbs, 77 lbs lighter than a regular 1 series

Those specs look like nothing, but I dare anyone to tell me that the 135i is anywhere on the same planet as a 1M.

The same exact story with the M2, watch.

I think we need to remember that it seems BMW under rates it's engines. So, 365 hp may just be 375-385ish. This helps in marketing---it's not stepping on it's older brother's (M3/M4) toes.

Also, I have a question. Why is it that they offer limited colors for the Ms? Why not offer them in the almost the same range as the reg models, along with special "launch" colors?

[sth519]

The F2x series already shares a lot of parts with the F3x series since they're based on the same platform.
The M2 will, according to the rumors, share a lot of chassis components with the M4.

So if you'd put the S55 into that car and add a carbon roof, you'd basically end up with an M4 in a slightly smaller body shell. Of course that would be nice (and is what everybody wants), but let's face it: There's no way that such a car would be significantly cheaper than an actual M4.

So there has to be some compromise. And, as far as we know, that means no S engine and no carbon roof. It's the same compromise they did with the 1M and that worked out pretty great for them, so why change it?

In the end, it all comes down to how the thing feels to drive. That's where BMW has to prove that this is a good M car and that they've made the right decisions. But you can't judge that from some leaked numbers on the internet.

As for the colors: Seems a bit odd to only have one "real" color for a car like this, especially given that the M2 is supposed to have a regular production run.

[UpNcOmINg!]

Colours;
optional;
IMOLA RED please

Given;
MG
LBB
AW
Thats the order I would have them.

As to the power and tq figures, I hope these point to a nice high revving N55 that will pull RIGHT through the rev range. Please give us a forged bottom end and a bigger Turbo than the current EWG's.
Then weight, I also think we going to see around 50lbs spec for spec lighter than the m235i. At very least.
Still wish CF roof was an option, even if it's more for how it looks.

Reading literally ALL of this got me excited, especially when people say they backing out Makes me super excited that!

[Falafel Combo]

Originally Posted by BimmerMat135

M235i is already heavier than the 1M this car better be light. With only 30hp more don't think it will worth it if it end up weighting the same as a M235i

Originally Posted by Mantii

...

The engine seems underwhelming as well. N55 is almost a deal breaker, depending on what else is integrated into the car (CF bits etc.)
The 1M could pull off the "legendary" status due to a short production cycle and limited numbers, none of which will be true with the M2. The car will most likely weigh more than the M235.

For now, the M3/4 is definitely calling my name next year. Shall wait and see.

Originally Posted by rosenbergendo

Pretty low power figures!

1. It will surely be lighter than an M235i, so power "numbers" at face value are misleading. We need some perspective (power:weight ratio).

2. NEVER ... EVER!!! Believe BMW's advertised power numbers.


I have ZERO doubts this upcoming M2 will be an enormous hit, and even achieve legendary status in very little time.


Patience my little ones.