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It's not. Sport Auto never tested the M3cs, but they achieved a 7:42 with the M4cs, albeit they said it's time was hamperd by a very hot test day. The 'ring was also since significantly repaved flatening some bumby sections and making it quicker.
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"7.43 ... meh", consider my front wheel drive hatchback posted a 7.54 in factory stock trim when released in 2014. And the new 2020 version of that same car recently posted a 7.45 when released this year again in stock trim (yes they were both very focused vehicles & indeed both the quickest fwd production cars ever produced at the time) & obviously steered by a pro in ideal conditions as are ALL manufacturers referenced lap times (manufacturers aren't stupid) but it still reinforces how flawed the direction of some manufacturers is in continuing to build bigger & heavier performance cars & just throwing more & more power at them.
Sorry but the M2CS nor any other current BMW for that matter is what you'd call track focused. Yes my M2 is a lovely road car & the CS even more so, however something like an Alpine A110 or Lotus Exige is what I'd consider focused. Having said that, it still makes for interesting viewing as the Nurburgring is certainly an accurate reference of a cars like for like overall performance capability (at least the manufacturers think so hence why they develop, test & reference their cars' times there). How better do you accurately evaluate a cars overall performance ?
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So, my big ass saloon is significantly faster on the track than a similarly priced track focused M2 CS
Didn't expect that, but I'll take it
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Ask the P car guys if they need to slide in order to have fun OR achieve a good lap time. The M2, in any iteration, as well as other M cars, is under-tired.
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I spun off the road before, ended up in the grass. I just did a 360, hit the gas and was back on course, without a scratch. You have to mentally know that the car can handle it, with the right control, which is you! If I'm at the skirting edge of losing control, at that spilt second before I realize that I done fvcked up, I think to myself; "Hell no, there is no way I'm crashing my car today!" grab the wheel and start beasting it, with either counter-steer and on/off throttle modulation.. Kudos to the driver, he held is own there but who knows, maybe it was the extra 25k for the CS, with extra control the Adaptive Suspension added, is what really saved him - I guess we'll never know.. |
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It's only non-pros that can't even drive at an elite level that obsess over Ring times that their car might be capable of under the right conditions with the right driver. I can see how it can be fun for entertainment value, but some people take it serious and a truly believe in the lap times and consider them proof of superiority or inferiority. |
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Lets not forget the m2c with about 15k in suspension/aero/tire mods and a tune, ran a 7 12 with Alex Hardt behind the wheel.
These cars have tremendous potential at their price point, and are a much better track weapon starter kits then M3/4 IMO. |
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Still 7:27.88 is the fastest Bmw on Nurburgring. Regardless some guy who drive 10sec slower than official time
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7:12 to the Audi Sport sign, not all the way to the top, is that right?
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That said, Porsche does this better on cars like the GT3 and GT3 RS. They nail the basic settings for suspension & alignment, and manage to include a degree of adjustability for track/comfort via the electronic shocks. M4 GTS totally missed that trick it seems.
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In oposition, factory test drivers have a lot of seat time in the test car as well as numerous attempts to pull a fast lap. Also, state of tune and modifications are not fully controlled. So for sure, factory lap times will always be faster than AMS/SA supertest times and are difficult to use as reliable metric. What I take out of the M8 and M4GTS respective AMS/SA times is that it is easier to be fast out of the gate in the 625hp AWD M8 than in the touchier M4GTS.
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That was a BTG lap, you cannot compare the two...
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Alex Hardt's M2C has 520PS But it probably is 5-10s faster on a real normal lap than the M2CS Put Cuptyres on the M2Comp and you already win >5 s in the same conditions CS is great but ' just as heavy as a Comp ' in real life. They should have stuck with the passive suspension... Cheers Robin |
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CanAut I see that Sport Auto hasn't tested an m3/4 CS but the prior past showed a time of 7:35 from BMW for the m3/4 CS. If the m2 CS is only down on power by around 10bhp, I guess the difference comes down to the larger rubber on the m4 cs?
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1620-1595kg Even if it was 75kg in theory already on a 1600kg car.... It's nothing irl. -I have blue brakes and manual seats.... But if I have the chance I'm going to drive @Romo's new M2CS within a few weeks and get back to you Cheers Robin |
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Aerodynamics and it probably weighs more than an M4CS too Cheers Robin Last edited by Robin_NL; 08-13-2020 at 10:15 AM.. |
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