[AudiA4]

Originally Posted by JorgenM

Ever heard of Nissan Leaf?
The #1 best selling EV world-wide and definitely not american

Yes. One model from one manufacturer...sales leader perhaps, but not a technical standout.

[Agni]

Originally Posted by Fundguy1

It's not the disposal that's environmentally unfriendly, it's the creation. Why is everyone so stuck on the disposal? You can dispose of it much more easily and friendly than the manufacturing process.
https://www.wired.com/2016/03/teslas...t-green-think/

Who cares?? I am going to buy a Tesla because it has all the latest technology and is cool as hell. I don't care about its "environmental impact". And I think a lot of people are going to buy it because its going to be much cooler than a soon-to-be lame 3 series. It will have more tech, will be faster, and has a kick ass auto pilot. And it sounds so cool, when u drive one, like a spaceship, so much torque!

Thats the problem with Bolt, the i3, and i8. They are marketed as some climate change stopping products and thus are boring as hell and will flop. Tesla is not marketing it as any such thing, but a kick ass car, that just happens to be electric.

Its already having impact on BMW: https://www.reddit.com/r/teslamotors...o_bmw_3series/

[MalibuBimmer]

Originally Posted by IB M

Good for BMW. Tesla has a substantial lead in brand, technology and design when it comes to electrics. Porsche and BMW need to catch-up fast. Doubt GM or Ford can as electric does not appeal to their customer base.

Technology? No.

Hundreds of laptop-computer size batteries is not an advance in technology.

Tesla has pretty much had the field to itself and come up with bland cars that accelerate well once or twice and then overheat. The interiors are cheap, the switchgear embarrassing and the ergonomics is horrendous. They can communicate with homebase, and download new programming, but that's about it.

When real automobile manufacturers, with a century plus of manufacturing history decide to compete Tesla will be ground into the dust.

Like about now.

[GCinFLA]

Originally Posted by Bbb34

500,000 pre-orders is a nice number but really considering numbers other manufacturers are selling Worldwide it's just a tiny "drop in the bucket".
And that's assuming Tesla can deliver, and deliver with quality, assuming they show long term reliability and attract repeat buyers.

Here are worldwide sales numbers for 2016.


Tesla has a lead in tech for now, but others have lead in everything else. Cash, experience in designing, producing and testing vehicle, established manufacturing and sales network, more resources. I think it's matter of time before they catch up, and I hope they do so fast. We will all benefit by having better and less expensive products competing for our money.

500,000 is more than BMW 3 Series AH3 and 330e have sold in their entire run (probably could include the i3 and i8 in there as well...Perhaps ALL BMW AH models)

So in comparison 500,000 is a huge number.

[GCinFLA]

Originally Posted by MalibuBimmer

Technology? No.

Hundreds of laptop-computer size batteries is not an advance in technology.

Tesla has pretty much had the field to itself and come up with bland cars that accelerate well once or twice and then overheat. The interiors are cheap the switchgear embarrassing and the ergonomics is horrendous. They can communicate with homebase, and download new programming, but that's about it.

When real automobile manufacturers, with a century plus of manufacturing history decide to compete Tesla will be ground into the dust.

Like about now.

You are apparently blind to most BMW 1-4 interiors.

[MalibuBimmer]

Originally Posted by GCinFLA

You are apparently blind to most BMW 1-4 interiors.

My M4 interior is pretty nice. It doesn't have a huge computer screen that I need to manipulate to get the car to perform basic functions. It has real swtichgear that doesn't look or feel cheap.

[Bbb34]

Originally Posted by Bosozoku

You're comparing "worldwide car sales" (including gas / diesel / hybrid) with Tesla's electric-only sales.



GM, BMW, and every other electric car maker and wannabe-maker would kill for 500,000 pre-orders.

You're missing my point a bit I think.
Other manufacturers consistently deliver those numbers and more and have been doing so for many years, without need for pre-orders. So while that number is admirable (and a bit surprising to me personally) Tesla still needs to prove then can actually deliver, and deliver with quality, something other manufacturers already do.

Originally Posted by GCinFLA

500,000 is more than BMW 3 Series AH3 and 330e have sold in their entire run (probably could include the i3 and i8 in there as well...Perhaps ALL BMW AH models)

So in comparison 500,000 is a huge number.

For electric cars, and also it's more than Tesla has sold (or build) yet too.

i3 and i8 orders have already been paid for built and sold, these are all pre-orders, keep that in mind. Once Tesla delivers and fully gets paid for these vehicles, then builds a bit of reputation for solid quality, fit and finish, then these numbers become even more important.

[Fundguy1]

Originally Posted by MalibuBimmer

Technology? No.

Hundreds of laptop-computer size batteries is not an advance in technology.

Tesla has pretty much had the field to itself and come up with bland cars that accelerate well once or twice and then overheat. The interiors are cheap, the switchgear embarrassing and the ergonomics is horrendous. They can communicate with homebase, and download new programming, but that's about it.

When real automobile manufacturers, with a century plus of manufacturing history decide to compete Tesla will be ground into the dust.

Like about now.

Agreed. An iPad is not an attractive nor desirable center console. There's also a reason that with so few parts they still get the worst rating in reliability from consumer reports. And there's plenty of people like me who could care less about tech in a car. I still don't use most of the stuff that came with my 2008 335i let alone my 2013 MB GL450. Useless expence I'd rather not pay for.

[Bbb34]

Originally Posted by Fundguy1

Speculators. If you removed the name and just looked at the fundamentals of the stock its similar to the tech bubble stocks. Too many things have to go right to justify the price.
-sales of new car need to take off like wildfire with the general public with $2 a gallon gas prices working against them.
- the car needs to be on time
- the car needs to have all the issues sorted out
- their R&D needs to come up with something profitable
- competition from chevy, bmw, Nissan, Toyota, etc.
- the administration continuing to have me and other Americans help you pay for your car to fight global warming, with taxes and global warming on the chopping block and Musk arguing with Trump. Not a good thing.

All these things Tesla has had problems with so far with their current lineup. Too many potential issues for my comfort level.

Fun to ride for now but don't be caught without a chair when the music stops.

This is just way too much common sense, I'd rather you tell me where can I pre-order my new Tesla vehicle, no test drive needed, sight unseen?

[ORIGIN M.]

I think you are the one stuck.

Originally Posted by Fundguy1

Why is everyone so stuck...

[thisnameisnowmine]

I wonder when it will hit the market in the US?

[JorgenM]

Guess we'll know in 2 months.

Although it means it won't be available until 2019 I really hope it's based on the G20 and not the current 3 series. Perhaps it's a generic G20 concept and all we get to know from Frankfurt is that it will be available as an all electric at some point... that would be typical BMW...

[KenB925]

BMW, the ultimate transportation appliance

[ORIGIN M.]

Wait until the boys at ///M gmbh puts their spin on it.

Originally Posted by KenB925

BMW, the ultimate transportation appliance

[CalCarNut]

Originally Posted by JorgenM

Ever heard of Nissan Leaf?
The #1 best selling EV world-wide and definitely not american

Built in Smyrna Tennessee. America.

[AudiA4]

Originally Posted by CalCarNut

Built in Smyrna Tennessee. America.

By that logic, the iPhone is Chinese.

[CalCarNut]

Originally Posted by lilmacarony

I agree with you on the Bolt--but not on the i3 being a POS....the only thing "bad" about it is the range compared to the Bolt...The i3 might not yet be a sales king, but the thought behind recyclability, production and end of life for a vehicle, nothing can touch an i3...It is a far more holistic thought to producing vehicles than just another EV....

I don't know if you have driven either one of these cars, but having owned a E92 and an F30, and driving all of the other models, I can tell you the i3 is a blast to drive... the space inside and cavernous, the ride is firm, and the visibility is fantastic...The interior quality is far beyond the current F3x vehicles as well. I have been on many drives with multiple BMW's...and they all cannot believe an EV can keep up with them....it just needs more range and more power...which is what will come with the LCI...

As for the Fusion....it is 600 miles per tank. It is just like the iPerformance cars. No EV has 600 miles yet. It only goes 20 miles in electric mode.

^ thanks...yes..it's a Hybrid. For some reason my head was stuck in it's a straight EV.

Re: The i3. I've driven one..didn't like it. I really dislike the design; it has to be the ugliest EV on the market which is why I used 'POS' to describe it, albeit a bit harshly I suppose on second thought. I like it more than a Prius if that's any consolation lol. Do I want one? No. I'm old school; I like gas powered everything given the current offerings (918 being the exception.)

[GCinFLA]

Originally Posted by MalibuBimmer

My M4 interior is pretty nice. It doesn't have a huge computer screen that I need to manipulate to get the car to perform basic functions. It has real swtichgear that doesn't look or feel cheap.

Unless you have an Indivudual interior with most surfaces covered, it's still pretty plastic.

Ditto your i8.

How's the switchgear on it?

[CalCarNut]

Originally Posted by AudiA4

By that logic, the iPhone is Chinese.

LOL.

[///M4ster Yoda]

Originally Posted by ORIGIN M.

Wait until the boys at ///M gmbh puts their spin on it.

I can't wait till they pump more cheeseball sound into the cabin like the current M cars

Should sound amazing

[KenB925]

Originally Posted by ///M4ster Yoda

I can't wait till they pump more cheeseball sound into the cabin like the current M cars

Should sound amazing

it's gonna be cool, you can select any sound you want from 4 cylinder all the way to formula 1 (obviously race car sounds will be a $6000 option)

[aozer]

I would never buy a tesla based solely on how they look. They all look incredibly mundane to me.