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      04-29-2018, 07:11 AM   #1
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Oil temperature gauge on 16-17?

So I am not sure if I got this right or not, but I've read there is no oil temp gauge on the 16-17 M2. I was surprised because there is a digital one on my '18. Was this a part of the LCI? Does the 16-17 at least get a coolant temp gauge? (We don't in the '18)
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Definitely a coolant gauge in the pre-LCI car but no oil temp gauge, not that I've found anyway! Always should have been an oil temp gauge. Basis for knowing when it's time to open the taps!
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Does the LCI have a sensor? Anyone have a pet number?

Wait would the sensor used for the oil level also do temp and pressure?
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Definitely a coolant gauge in the pre-LCI car but no oil temp gauge, not that I've found anyway! Always should have been an oil temp gauge. Basis for knowing when it's time to open the taps!
Thanks for setting me straight there. I wish we had a physical colored representation of the red line on the tach though.
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Thanks for setting me straight there. I wish we had a physical colored representation of the red line on the tach though.
No worries. Great feature that, had it on my E39 M5 and always stuck to it!
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The pre-LCI gauge is a combination of Oil and Coolant Temps with no numbers displayed. It will just say "Cold" or "Okay" and the little bar will move left to right.




The LCI gauge is oil temp only. It has oil temp numbers displayed but no coolant temp display.



Hope that clears things up.
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The pre-LCI gauge is a combination of Oil and Coolant Temps with no numbers displayed. It will just say "Cold" or "Okay" and the little bar will move left to right.




The LCI gauge is oil temp only. It has oil temp numbers displayed but no coolant temp display.



Hope that clears things up.
I believe the "cold" and "ok" just refer to coolant temp.

I never seen the blue and red bar "needle" go beyond the middle in street driving. I'm under the impression with those with after market temp gauge that by the time the needle is in the middle the oil is up to a high enough temperature you can start giving it some higher revs.

you can use an aftermarket gauge or use a phone app and OBD reader like torque to see oil temp.

Why BMW didn't show oil temp I don't know... probably just didn't wanted to make the base 2 series not desirable as a driver car and felt no point in updating m2 dash when the LCI was coming soon enough.
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I believe the "cold" and "ok" just refer to coolant temp.
This is all the manual says about it:

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^ Andrew, thanks for sharing. If this is true (optimal temp is in the middle), why does it say "OK" way before reaching the middle?
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^ Andrew, thanks for sharing. If this is true (optimal temp is in the middle), why does it say "OK" way before reaching the middle?
You'd presume BMW think it's OK to start using an extended rev range but it's not clear. Safest way is to stick to the centre position as that is fully warmed up. It also mentions in the book that if you have a DCT car and want to use launch control, to drive for about 6 miles. In my experience this is a similar distance (unless stood in traffic) that it takes to warm up fully ( so they're referring to it warming up fully again).
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I believe the "cold" and "ok" just refer to coolant temp.

I never seen the blue and red bar "needle" go beyond the middle in street driving. I'm under the impression with those with after market temp gauge that by the time the needle is in the middle the oil is up to a high enough temperature you can start giving it some higher revs.

you can use an aftermarket gauge or use a phone app and OBD reader like torque to see oil temp.

Why BMW didn't show oil temp I don't know... probably just didn't wanted to make the base 2 series not desirable as a driver car and felt no point in updating m2 dash when the LCI was coming soon enough.
What temp is recommended for full throttle on the LCI?
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^ Andrew, thanks for sharing. If this is true (optimal temp is in the middle), why does it say "OK" way before reaching the middle?
OK temp is a range, not a single value. That is why.
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What temp is recommended for full throttle on the LCI?
120C/250F would be ideal if you plan on redlining it because you want the car to be fully warmed up to minimize risk of premature wear/damage.

If you wanted to, you could probably start being a bit more aggressive around 100C/220F but I wouldn't go crazy. You should let the car warm up for 10-15min and go nice and easy before doing any spirited driving.

Cold engines do not like high revs.
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What temp is recommended for full throttle on the LCI?
120C/250F would be ideal if you plan on redlining it because you want the car to be fully warmed up to minimize risk of premature wear/damage.

If you wanted to, you could probably start being a bit more aggressive around 100C/220F but I wouldn't go crazy. You should let the car warm up for 10-15min and go nice and easy before doing any spirited driving.

Cold engines do not like high revs.
Once the digital needle gets to the middle I assume I can raise the revs to 4 or 5k. Five minutes after that I'll go over 6k.
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I was experimenting with this briefly today.
The temperatures were in Centigrade. Anyone know how to display them in Fahrenheit?
BMW M2 pre LCI built in Oil temp in hidden diagnostic menu
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsNOublzEKM

UPDATE:
The video above is no longer available.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYSJIsrq-ho
The code you enter is the sum of the last 5 digits of the VIN

Dedicated gauge:
http://www.p3cars.com/bmw/bmw-1-seri...2-multi-gauge/

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The pre-LCI gauge is a combination of Oil and Coolant Temps with no numbers displayed. It will just say "Cold" or "Okay" and the little bar will move left to right.




The LCI gauge is oil temp only. It has oil temp numbers displayed but no coolant temp display.



Hope that clears things up.

You’re the best! I was wondering why the BMW product manual shows a colour gauge but my LCI gauge is white. Thanks!
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120C/250F would be ideal if you plan on redlining it because you want the car to be fully warmed up to minimize risk of premature wear/damage.

If you wanted to, you could probably start being a bit more aggressive around 100C/220F but I wouldn't go crazy. You should let the car warm up for 10-15min and go nice and easy before doing any spirited driving.

Cold engines do not like high revs.

180F is hot enough for you to start redlining the car.
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Gents. Take a look at any oil viscocity vs temperature curve. At 50C most oils are already over 90% towards minimum viscosity. Basically once you see the needle move past 70C on your M2 you are good to go as the viscosity changes as temperature increase from there are minimal at best.

https://wiki.anton-paar.com/en/engine-oil/
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okay means coolant up to temp, not oil.
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Gents. Take a look at any oil viscocity vs temperature curve. At 50C most oils are already over 90% towards minimum viscosity. Basically once you see the needle move past 70C on your M2 you are good to go as the viscosity changes as temperature increase from there are minimal at best.

https://wiki.anton-paar.com/en/engine-oil/
I agree. Once I see the needle start to move from 70C I start to push it more.

I'm not sure if they still do it but my old JB4 on my 135i would limit boost until 160F. You would get 2 blinks of the hazards and that meant you were good to go. I did 50,000 hard miles with a JB4, downpipes, and e85 all without issue like this.

If I had an e9x m3 I might wait till it heats up a bit more.
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Gents. Take a look at any oil viscocity vs temperature curve. At 50C most oils are already over 90% towards minimum viscosity. Basically once you see the needle move past 70C on your M2 you are good to go as the viscosity changes as temperature increase from there are minimal at best.

https://wiki.anton-paar.com/en/engine-oil/
Interesting coincidence, my Mk7 GTI has an oil gauge that wouldn’t even register a temp until 122F (50c). Must have been on purpose.
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