[Anthony1s]

Originally Posted by Poochie

They are..

Forward the video below to 6:37, you'll see them.

Looks like a reflection to me. Also the ones in your picture look nothing like the ones AlpsRider circled in his picture, that you agreed with are LEDs.

And if the three dots he circled in his picture are LEDs, why do you say you see "Two on the bottom and one on the top" Yet the dots he circled shows three in a row.

[AlpsRider]

Originally Posted by Anthony1s

Looks like a reflection to me. Also the ones in your picture look nothing like the ones AlpsRider circled in his picture, that you agreed with are LEDs.

And if the three dots he circled in his picture are LEDs, why do you say you see "Two on the bottom and one on the top" Yet the dots he circled shows three in a row.

I'll have to agree with you. When taking a video or photo of a car with the headlights on the average exposure that the camera uses for an image will completely overexpose headlights because they are so bright. If I had taken my photo without manually underexposing the image, the headlights would have looked like the sun. Clearly the headlights in the video are not very bright therefore the headlights must be off and the light coming from them must be glare. There is no way that the surrounding LEDs would be brighter than the main headlights.

[Poochie]

Originally Posted by Anthony1s

Looks like a reflection to me. Also the ones in your picture look nothing like the ones AlpsRider circled in his picture, that you agreed with are LEDs.

And if the three dots he circled in his picture are LEDs, why do you say you see "Two on the bottom and one on the top" Yet the dots he circled shows three in a row.

The headlights was illuminated and distorted in AlpsRider's photo and was literally reflective glare he captured in low beam, so it is inconclusive.

The photo I shared with the main lights were off and just the daytime running LED was lit and you can clearly see the 4 LEDs behind the projector. The adaptive LED headlights uses two LEDs for the low beam and the other two is the high beam. There is no lens shutter like the pre-LCI Xenons, just an arrangement of LEDs that vary light output, based on demand, like VLD and GFHB.

Beside the video, I personally verified this at a local dealer.

Don't you have a LCI vehicle with adaptive LEDs? If you feel so sure of your claim, do a little experiment by looking directly into the projector with the headlights off, you'll see the LEDs from an askew angle - try to capture a proper photo and share it.

I'll be waiting for you to prove me wrong.

[Anthony1s]

Originally Posted by Poochie

The headlights was illuminated and distorted in AlpsRider's photo and was literally reflective glare he captured in low beam, so it is inconclusive.

The photo I shared with the main lights were off and just the daytime running LED was lit and you can clearly see the 4 LEDs behind the projector. The adaptive LED headlights uses two LEDs for the low beam and the other two is the high beam. There is no lens shutter like the pre-LCI Xenons, just an arrangement of LEDs that vary light output, based on demand, like VLD and GFHB.

Beside the video, I personally verified this at a local dealer.

Don't you have a LCI vehicle with adaptive LEDs? If you feel so sure of your claim, do a little experiment by looking directly into the projector with the headlights off, you'll see the LEDs from an askew angle - try to capture a proper photo and share it.

I'll be waiting for you to prove me wrong.

My intent wasn't to personally prove you wrong. I have no issue with you. And I don't even know why this convo matters, in the scheme of getting anti-dazzle and VLD to work on USA cars. So I have no bias to prove you wrong. I was just pointing out inconsistencies in the two images and what you two were seeing, because I don't see anything that looks like LEDs in either of them and don't see what you two see in either of the pictures posted.

Yes, I do have a LCI w/ adaptives. I have the car here, but I don't have my keys right now. I gave them to my Xpel installer to prevent me from driving it until my appointment, cause I can't help myself and will damage the paint before he gets it. I also have a good camera too. It's not a full frame DSLR, it's a micro four-thirds mirrorless... a GH5, that I can take good pictures with. I might have a polarizing filter for my lenses too, that I think should help with reflections. I'll see if I can get some pics right now, but it will be with the headlights off.

[Poochie]

Originally Posted by Anthony1s

My intent wasn't to personally prove you wrong. I have no issue with you. And I don't even know why this convo matters, in the scheme of getting anti-dazzle and VLD to work on USA cars. So I have no bias to prove you wrong. I was just pointing out inconsistencies in the two images and what you two were seeing, because I don't see anything that looks like LEDs in either of them and don't see what you two see in either of the pictures posted.

No beef bro, I didn't mean for it to come out like that, I honestly just want to see a proper image. We're all here to learn, not to merely be correct.

Try to get the photo and post it up so we can put this can/cannot to rest. It might take a couple of tries and some improvising to get the right shot, due to reflective nature of the projector but it can be done.

Worst come to worst and you can't properly capture it, I have to take my car in for service in like a month or so, I'll take a walk to the showroom floor and see what I can do.

[AlpsRider]

"The headlights was illuminated and distorted in AlpsRider's photo and was literally reflective glare he captured in low beam, so it is inconclusive."

I think the photo is quite conclusive. I took a photo in low beam and high beam the 3 LEDs look the same.

I used a very bright LED flashlight to shine into the main headlight lens on my car. I saw 3 yellow LEDs mounted horizontally without individual lenses. This configuration is consistent with the photo in the attached thread link. Given the configuration of the European spec lights from the link it is possible that since they seem to have individual lenses on each LED that they may have some reflective properties when the headlights are off. This is not the case with my M2C headlights though.

https://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...php?p=23993829

In conclusion, my 2019 M2C with adaptive lights has 3 Light Emitting Diodes in each headlight lens which is visible with the naked eye when the headlights are on and visible with a bright flashlight when the lights are off. There could be hidden LEDs up in the housing somewhere, but given the photo from the other thread it seems unlikely. In order for LED headlights to block specific parts of the beam without a shutter it would have to have many LEDs with directional lenses such as what is shown in the other thread. I don't think my car has the Euro Anti-dazzle lenses and I will code my car accordingly until there is some proof that a 3 LED system is capable of selectively blocking areas of the light beam. The end.

[Anthony1s]

Originally Posted by Poochie

No beef bro, I didn't mean for it to come out like that, I honestly just want to see a proper image. We're all here to learn, not to merely be correct.

Try to get the photo and post it up so we can put this can/cannot to rest. It might take a couple of tries and some improvising to get the right shot, due to reflective nature of the projector but it can be done.

Worst come to worst and you can't properly capture it, I have to take my car in for service in like a month or so, I'll take a walk to the showroom floor and see what I can do.

I took my camera out and went to take some pics, but it was wayyy too dark in there to see anything and upping the exposure to compensate just blow out the reflections, making it worse. Maybe wasn't helpful that it's rainy/snowy and overcast today too. On top of that, just looking at the lens, I'm not sure it's possible to see behind it due to the incredible amount of distortion. Will have to rethink and try another day.

I think the only way to get a definitive answer is going to be someone getting a headlight to take apart. I'm emailing my list of dealerships within 2hrs of me, seeing if they have a damaged headlight they're willing to sell me.

I'm not even sure what those LEDs are for on the board pictures shown earlier in this thread. Those LEDs look way too small to emit any amount of light usesful for driving. I'm not an LED expert by any means, but I know the ones used in street lights are grids of many LEDs. Like this:

https://www.amazon.com/Chanzon-6000K.../dp/B01DBZHUXA

Which would be consistent with the picture you showed, but doesn't explain anything about that board shown earlier.

[AlpsRider]

Originally Posted by Anthony1s

On top of that, just looking at the lens, I'm not sure it's possible to see behind it due to the incredible amount of distortion. Will have to rethink and try another day.

While my car was in a dark garage, with the lights off I shined a military grade LED flashlight which is very bright into the lens. You have to move from left to right to get the angle just right but eventually you can see the LEDs. Since it is a concave lens, you need to move from side to side to see the 3 leds come in and out of view.

[Poochie]

Originally Posted by Anthony1s

I'm not even sure what those LEDs are for on the board pictures shown earlier in this thread. Those LEDs look way too small to emit any amount of light usesful for driving.

You're right, good observation; the photo linked earlier is from a Mini Cooper, not a 2 series. And it's not for the headlight output but for the DRL.

Don't sweat getting a proper photo, the US DOT is currently in the process of approving camera-based headlight such as VLD, GFHB and Matrix, within the new few months, so this discussion would be moot anyway.

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[Anthony1s]

Originally Posted by AlpsRider

While my car was in a dark garage, with the lights off I shined a military grade LED flashlight which is very bright into the lens. You have to move from left to right to get the angle just right but eventually you can see the LEDs. Since it is a concave lens, you need to move from side to side to see the 3 leds come in and out of view.

Ah, yea I saw you said that. Was writing a reply to it while at the laundromat then got caught up and forgot to finish and publish it. I don't have a garage and the best light source I have is a 5x3" LED panel for video/photo lighting.

[cookiesowns]

Originally Posted by Poochie

The actual hardware itself are the same between the two regions, the only thing that separates them is certification label and software decoding of the VLD, GFHB, and also LHD or RHD.

I understand this claim contradicts my previous statements but I was going off incorrect information from some folks here who claim to be 'insiders.'

Dude.. how many times do people need to tell you. Post LCI vehicles in the US do not have the correct hardware to do NGHB. VLD is fine on all vehicles but not NGHB. There's a good reason why the CAFD's don't have the correct hex values to properly fully code NGHB on US level hardware. the HWEL's are different for a reason.


On the AL headlamps on pre-LCI ( automotive lighting ) the LED shutters properly work which is why F15/F25, and pre lci F80/F30's were able to code it. When BMW switched to Post LCI, they removed this hardware.

Probably due to numerous reasons....

1) Cost

2) Liability. BMW are onto enthusiasts for tuning & coding, they probably also made this change so that people do not code in NGHB as it is not legal to do so.... but unfortunately here we have people believing the headlamps do have the micro-shutters or the necessary micro arrays to do the beam forming appropriately.

If you're so keen on figuring out the actual truth.... take apart an ECE and US F20/F87 headlight and decide for yourself.

As someone who entirely hates people who leave their highbeams, or have inappropriately aimed headlamps, or drive with their fogs on, the last thing I want to see are people thinking they have NGHB properly coded and glare me when I'm driving.

If I'm totally bored one day... I'll take a video of NGHB properly working on the X3 on the same stretch of road on the M2C.... but that might be awhile LOL

[Poochie]

Originally Posted by cookiesowns

Dude.. how many times do people need to tell you. Post LCI vehicles in the US do not have the correct hardware to do NGHB. VLD is fine on all vehicles but not NGHB. There's a good reason why the CAFD's don't have the correct hex values to properly fully code NGHB on US level hardware. the HWEL's are different for a reason.


On the AL headlamps on pre-LCI ( automotive lighting ) the LED shutters properly work which is why F15/F25, and pre lci F80/F30's were able to code it. When BMW switched to Post LCI, they removed this hardware.

Probably due to numerous reasons....

1) Cost

2) Liability. BMW are onto enthusiasts for tuning & coding, they probably also made this change so that people do not code in NGHB as it is not legal to do so.... but unfortunately here we have people believing the headlamps do have the micro-shutters or the necessary micro arrays to do the beam forming appropriately.

If you're so keen on figuring out the actual truth.... take apart an ECE and US F20/F87 headlight and decide for yourself.

As someone who entirely hates people who leave their highbeams, or have inappropriately aimed headlamps, or drive with their fogs on, the last thing I want to see are people thinking they have NGHB properly coded and glare me when I'm driving.

Ok Sweet, I don't know what I would of done without your infinite wisdom..

Do you have any proof of this claim or you all talk?

[cookiesowns]

Originally Posted by Poochie

Ok Sweet, I don't know what I would of done without your infinite wisdom..

Do you have any proof of this claim or you all talk?

It's a bit hypocritical to ask people of claims, when you yourself don't have definitive proof either eh?

No, I don't have HW pics of the headlamps, but it's clear to me that without microshutters, 4 COBB LED's are simply not enough to do beamforming. It's a very complicated procedure and seeing it properly coded in action on my 2017 X3 is amazing. ( I've verified behavior with a friend in a car in front of me in traffic and on a backroad. )

Yes, I can back up proof of my claims on the other areas.

[Poochie]

Originally Posted by cookiesowns

It's a bit hypocritical to ask people of claims, when you yourself don't have definitive proof either eh?

No, I don't have HW pics of the headlamps, but it's clear to me that without microshutters

I guess it's the blind leading the blind then..

I presented what I learned and left it up to interpretation.

You're stating your claim as fact, that's why I'm asking for conclusive proof. It's a simple request.

Snarkiness aside, I really want to see some evidence before I take anyone's word. If I'm wrong, which I'm 2/3 sure I'm not, I will be the bigger man and humble myself before you with an apology.

I know the coding in way more intricate for LED headlight but I have a hard time believing BMW engineered two separate headlight technology, one exclusively for the US market, just to eliminate one feature, when they can simply and cheaply add the restrictions with software.

[bjams]

Also in terms of technology it doesn't make any sense that BMW would need "microshutters" on an LED when you can just dim/switch an individual LED on/off.

[ssabripo]

Ok, resurrecting this thread:

So I've read this thread from beginning to end, and other threads regarding VLD on the newer adaptive LED headlights, and I'm completely confused now with all this talk about US vs EU, 3 vs 4 LEDs, etc, etc, etc.

Simple questions (sorry for the stupidity of it, but just very confused with all the back and forth in these threads):

1) Does enabling VLD via coding on a 2019/2020 M2C (US models) with Adaptive LED headlights possible, yes or no? If yes, any adverse or potentially negative impacts on the system?

2) Any impact on VLD to the performance of the adaptive headlight performance outta factory? I don't understand why BMW wouldn't just enable VLD on these cars from the get go.



Again, sorry for the infantile question, but I wanted to get it done last night and backed out because I just didn't get a comfortable feeling after spending day after day reading these threads regarding VLD on the newer M2C's with Adaptive LED headlights

[tranck]

Not a dumb question man - I gave up trying to figure it all out 9 pages ago.

[bmxcamel]

VLD (variable light distribution) works fine, with no negative effects that I can discern after 1 year of using it.

GFHB (glare free high beams) half works. The lights turn on and off, and swivel. However, they will fail to dim properly in some circumstances and potentially blind oncoming traffic. I would not recommend enabling it on a US car.

[ssabripo]

Originally Posted by bmxcamel

VLD (variable light distribution) works fine, with no negative effects that I can discern after 1 year of using it.

GFHB (glare free high beams) half works. The lights turn on and off, and swivel. However, they will fail to dim properly in some circumstances and potentially blind oncoming traffic. I would not recommend enabling it on a US car.

thank you.

another idiotic question: There are some inconsistencies in the bimmercode settings on a couple of these threads. Do you (OR ANYONE) know what the correct settings are in bimmercode to get this done?

[AlpsRider]

Originally Posted by bmxcamel

VLD (variable light distribution) works fine, with no negative effects that I can discern after 1 year of using it.

GFHB (glare free high beams) half works. The lights turn on and off, and swivel. However, they will fail to dim properly in some circumstances and potentially blind oncoming traffic. I would not recommend enabling it on a US car.

He speaks the truth.

[TINY BMW]

Originally Posted by ssabripo

thank you.

another idiotic question: There are some inconsistencies in the bimmercode settings on a couple of these threads. Do you (OR ANYONE) know what the correct settings are in bimmercode to get this done?

Best way is VO removal.

Also, I drove back on a country road the other day after dark and my anti-dazzle definitely did not always pick up the opposite lane.

Most of the time it did. It really felt like a software error.

If anybody wants to do a read out of a 2019 M240i with adaptive LEDs and do some comparison, fire me up.

Also Poochie you think it would help to not only remove 5AP from KAFAS and the lights, but change it to ECE? I’m looking at per-module FAs. If you have any resources,...

[Poochie]

Originally Posted by CSharpFan

Best way is VO removal.

Also, I drove back on a country road the other day after dark and my anti-dazzle definitely did not always pick up the opposite lane.

Most of the time it did. It really felt like a software error.

If anybody wants to do a read out of a 2019 M240i with adaptive LEDs and do some comparison, fire me up.

Also Poochie you think it would help to not only remove 5AP from KAFAS and the lights, but change it to ECE? I'm looking at per-module FAs. If you have any resources,...

No, to activate GFHB, just remove the two crippling codes that blocks this feature on US-bound variants but don't change anything else related to the vehicle's region, such as "ECE."

Reason being is that here in North America, since we drive on the right side of the road, the left beam is electronically skewed slightly lower at times to avoid blinding uncoming traffic and the right beam higher, to show the driver the road and signs ahead and it's vice versa for countries that drive on the right side.

Changing the region would cause an undesirable effect and possible glare oncoming drivers.

Also, I want to mention that GFHB is very rudimentary in its operation is not an infallible feature. There might be slight glare here and there.

Even in the UK, where this feature is fully allowed stock, BMW was warned to not confuse the masses by referring to it as "GLARE FREE."

So a little light leakage is more a less naturally expected and not necessarily a hardware or coding fault.


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