[5.M0NSTER]

True. One vehicle does not make a trend. How about 2 years of JD Power data?
Chevrolet & Buick better than BMW for 2 years in a row. Trend enough?

[grl.racr]

Originally Posted by 5.M0NSTER

Just like BMW includes hair gel and a collar popping kit

not douchey enough for BMW drivers

[grl.racr]

Originally Posted by TRZ06

True performance car enthusiasts don't care about the perception, they care about the end result driving experience.

If you buy or don't buy a car on image and perception, then you might have more pressing issues than picking a new car.

as a true "performance car enthusiast" I care about how a car looks as much as it drives - if it's not pleasing to the eye as I walk up to it, I probably won't be inspired to drive and enjoy it

but that's just me

[Thescout13]

Originally Posted by 5.M0NSTER

True. One vehicle does not make a trend. How about 2 years of JD Power data?
Chevrolet & Buick better than BMW for 2 years in a row. Trend enough?

Lmao like JD Power actually means anything at all. Next your going to show us the "real people" commercials. To be fair I already admit Chevy has stepped the game up big time on quality in the C7?

Pretty good read on JD Power:
https://jalopnik.com/everything-you-...r-a-1818818969

[TemjinX2]

GM treats the corvette and the LT motors as a source of pride compared to their other products. The LT motors are hand made to insure quality. I do not doubt the c8 will be reliable. But i would still wait...the c8 with the best balance will probably be the grand sport like it was the for the c7.

The corvettes with overwhelming power will probably be the z06 and zr1.

[AlpsRider]

JD Power shows BMW has the same rating as Toyota. Somehow I don't believe that one.

[5.M0NSTER]

Originally Posted by Thescout13

Lmao like JD Power actually means anything at all. Next your going to show us the "real people" commercials. To be fair I already admit Chevy has stepped the game up big time on quality in the C7?

Pretty good read on JD Power:
https://jalopnik.com/everything-you-...r-a-1818818969

That is an interesting read and seems like a greedy business model. I skimmed through it to be honest.

But I fail to see how the ratings themselves are tainted.or invalid Incidents per 100 or 1000 vehicles an an industry standard practice. The questionable practice was access to data or how data was used in reference to other comparisons. Not the IPHV or IPTV data itself. Was there a mention of invalid or false data?

FCA is on the bottom (like they should be) and Lexus/Toyota are up there (like we expect them to be).

[heavyD^2]

So the $60k starting point is only for the first year rollout as prices will escalate after probably in the range of $70k when all is said and done. Still a fair price but not quite the bargain they made it out to be.

https://www.motortrend.com/news/chev...one-year-only/

As for reliability I'm a skeptic. I realize GM isn't as bad as they used to be but they still lag behind other automakers when it comes to fit and finish. Also given the transmission is Tremec's first crack at a DCT I feel that's an area of potential concern as they have always been hit and miss with their bread and butter manual transmissions let alone a complex DCT.

[TemjinX2]

Originally Posted by heavyD^2

So the $60k starting point is only for the first year rollout as prices will escalate after probably in the range of $70k when all is said and done. Still a fair price but not quite the bargain they made it out to be.

https://www.motortrend.com/news/chev...one-year-only/

As for reliability I'm a skeptic. I realize GM isn't as bad as they used to be but they still lag behind other automakers when it comes to fit and finish. Also given the transmission is Tremec's first crack at a DCT I feel that's an area of potential concern as they have always been hit and miss with their bread and butter manual transmissions let alone a complex DCT.

as i said a few months ago..the real price is going to be closer to 70k.

its just like trying to find a $56k porsche 718 cayman...all the ones on the dealer lots are closer to 70k.

[c1pher]

Glad I have my deposit in.

[boostm3]

I think Im going to wait til model year '22 or '23.. I want to see how the new technologies shake out in the first couple of years. Also, if its like the C7, by then, Mag suspension should be available outside the Z51 pkg in a year or two.

[cecaa850]

I'd never buy a first year production vehicle from any manufacturer.

[c1pher]

Originally Posted by cecaa850

I'd never buy a first year production vehicle from any manufacturer.

I guess I've been lucky. No major issues that I can remember from buying first year cars. With that said, I do evaluate a car before I buy it. Porsches and Toyotas don't seem to have major first year problems. For example, we are looking at Jeep Gladiators. While it's a new model, it's really based off something that already exists and much of the technology is already in use. In the case of the Corvette, the engine is a massaged motor already in use. Yes much else is new in the car, but the underlying technologies are all already out there. Chevrolet didn't reinvent anything really with the C8. I feel like its going to be like the first gen NSX, a reliable supercar. Fingers crossed.

[cecaa850]

Originally Posted by c1pher

For example, we are looking at Jeep Gladiators. While it's a new model, it's really based off something that already exists and much of the technology is already in use. I

Yep, basically a stretched Wrangler with a bed. Although the Corvette uses a motor that's been previously used in the past it looks like a first generation, from the ground up build. Too many times I've seen manufacturers let the end user finish off their Quality Control for new model roll outs. You're fortunate that you've had no issues with your purchases and I hope Chevy has no issues with this but I'd still wait at least a year if I were in the market.

[boostm3]

Originally Posted by c1pher

I guess I've been lucky. No major issues that I can remember from buying first year cars. With that said, I do evaluate a car before I buy it. Porsches and Toyotas don't seem to have major first year problems. For example, we are looking at Jeep Gladiators. While it's a new model, it's really based off something that already exists and much of the technology is already in use. In the case of the Corvette, the engine is a massaged motor already in use. Yes much else is new in the car, but the underlying technologies are all already out there. Chevrolet didn't reinvent anything really with the C8. I feel like its going to be like the first gen NSX, a reliable supercar. Fingers crossed.

I think the one piece of tech that is brand new to them is that Tremec DCT 8 speed. I know Ford has used Tremec DCT in the 7 speed iteration in their advanced mustangs, but for GM its brand new so far as I know.. That includes it's all important programming which will make or break this tranny.. That's the primary reason Im waiting.. That, and my M2 is not even 2 yrs old yet.. So Ill wait and watch, and see how it does in the real world.

[5.M0NSTER]

I would wait till the manual version is available.

[boostm3]

Originally Posted by 5.M0NSTER

I would wait till the manual version is available.

Never gonna happen. Not when the presented model allocations are selling out so quickly, and not when the manual take is under 20%, and not when major re-architecting would be required.

[c1pher]

Originally Posted by 5.M0NSTER

I would wait till the manual version is available.

They explained why they couldn’t provide a manual. The equipment would have to run through the central tunnel which now provides significant body structure support and rigidity. You can have a manual but you’ll be driving around a spaghetti noodle.

[boostm3]

Originally Posted by c1pher

They explained why they couldn’t provide a manual. The equipment would have to run through the central tunnel which now provides significant body structure support and rigidity. You can have a manual but you’ll be driving around a spaghetti noodle.

This!

[c1pher]

Originally Posted by boostm3

This!

Maybe they will figure something out for the Z, but haven’t read anything about that.

[heavyD^2]

Originally Posted by 5.M0NSTER

I would wait till the manual version is available.

There's a good article in the latest R&T where they question the chief engineer behind the C8. According to him they discussed it but there is not enough room for a 3 pedal box because of how close the footwell is to the front wheel. He said fitting 3 pedals in resulted in them being so close together that the ergonomics were poor. Sounds like pretty well zero chance of this ever happening for this model cycle.

[5.M0NSTER]

Originally Posted by boostm3

Never gonna happen. Not when the presented model allocations are selling out so quickly, and not when the manual take is under 20%, and not when major re-architecting would be required.

Originally Posted by c1pher

They explained why they couldn’t provide a manual. The equipment would have to run through the central tunnel which now provides significant body structure support and rigidity. You can have a manual but you’ll be driving around a spaghetti noodle.

Originally Posted by heavyD^2

There's a good article in the latest R&T where they question the chief engineer behind the C8. According to him they discussed it but there is not enough room for a 3 pedal box because of how close the footwell is to the front wheel. He said fitting 3 pedals in resulted in them being so close together that the ergonomics were poor. Sounds like pretty well zero chance of this ever happening for this model cycle.

I did some digging and looks like you guys are right. The chief engineer is dead set against the idea of a manual for the C8. So now BMW will still be making manuals in their next version of at least some M cars, but the Corvette won't?? Un-acceptable.
And they just developed the 7 speeed MT for the C7 few years back and now they can't reuse it?

Now I'm disappointed in GM. If you can't get a rear wheel drive, manual, naturally aspirated V8 car from US where can you get one? THIS is GM's core competency.