just did a back to back comparison M2-M2C

Chasing Dreams · 08-27-2018, 07:53 AM

No doubt that a tuned M2C will destroy a tuned OG. For sure. We all know the tuning potential. However, I have learned my lesson with ECU flashes after the dealer didn't want to take in my F31 after tuning.
I need to be happy with what I get out of the box and only do mods that are reversible.

MR. · 08-27-2018, 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by dmk08

Youre not supposed to go WOT at all during break in.... I guarantee its not boatish.

The S55 has insane low end kick.... i have 40000+ miles driving one so I am more wondering why people are saying this. I even asked in another thread if they detuned the prespooling.

They have detuned it and removed the prespooling to protect the OPF in Europe... I wrote that in my review weeks ago. Lets not hope they are just using one tune for every single car across the globe...

The sluggish behavior is something I mentioned as well in my review. In the lower rev band I was really asking myself where the kick was... Something was missing from the OG M2 and the M4 ZCP. I drove the ZCP a few weeks ago and I experienced it again. I said to myself the M2C did not have this.

MR

GoneIn4Secs · 08-27-2018, 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Chasing Dreams

No doubt that a tuned M2C will destroy a tuned OG. For sure. We all know the tuning potential. However, I have learned my lesson with ECU flashes after the dealer didn't want to take in my F31 after tuning.
I need to be happy with what I get out of the box and only do mods that are reversible.

Tuned m2c vs tuned m2, would be a good run, straight yea probably, but around a track id like to see it

Also s55 over 600hp can be prone to spun crankhub issue

dmk08 · 08-27-2018, 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by MR.

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Originally Posted by dmk08

Youre not supposed to go WOT at all during break in.... I guarantee its not boatish.

The S55 has insane low end kick.... i have 40000+ miles driving one so I am more wondering why people are saying this. I even asked in another thread if they detuned the prespooling.

They have detuned it and removed the prespooling to protect the OPF in Europe... I wrote that in my review weeks ago. Lets not hope they are just using one tune for every single car across the globe...

The sluggish behavior is something I mentioned as well in my review. In the lower rev band j was really asking myself where the kick was... Something was missing from the OG M3 and the M4 ZCP. I drove the ZCP a few weeks ago and I experienced it again. I said to myself the M2C did not have this.

MR

Sounds like a CS/ZCP time is gonna be a requirement to unleash this car. AKA voiding your warranty to load a tune perfectly safe for the engine.

GoneIn4Secs · 08-27-2018, 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by MR.

They have detuned it and removed the prespooling to protect the OPF in Europe... I wrote that in my review weeks ago. Lets not hope they are just using one tune for every single car across the globe...

The sluggish behavior is something I mentioned as well in my review. In the lower rev band I was really asking myself where the kick was... Something was missing from the OG M2 and the M4 ZCP. I drove the ZCP a few weeks ago and I experienced it again. I said to myself the M2C did not have this.

MR

Woukd you pick the z4 over the m2/m2c?

Edit: my bad i read your post wrong lol, i thought u drove the new z4 haha

MR. · 08-27-2018, 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by GoneIn4Secs

Woukd you pick the z4 over the m2/m2c?

Edit: my bad i read your post wrong lol, i thought u drove the new z4 haha

After I have seen it and listened to it... Nope

The Z4 is nice, but it needs a Z4M, not a Z4 M40i.

MR

boostm3 · 08-27-2018, 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by dmk08

Youre not supposed to go WOT at all during break in.... I guarantee its not boatish.

The S55 has insane low end kick.... i have 40000+ miles driving one so I am more wondering why people are saying this. I even asked in another thread if they detuned the prespooling.

If it's like the original M2, they dont detune anything prior to the run-in service.

dmk08 · 08-27-2018, 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by boostm3

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Originally Posted by dmk08

Youre not supposed to go WOT at all during break in.... I guarantee its not boatish.

The S55 has insane low end kick.... i have 40000+ miles driving one so I am more wondering why people are saying this. I even asked in another thread if they detuned the prespooling.

If it's like the original M2, they dont detune anything prior to the run-in service.

Not for break in but in general. And the answer from MR is yes they did.

boostm3 · 08-27-2018, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by dmk08

Not for break in but in general. And the answer from MR is yes they did.

In Europe!

dmk08 · 08-27-2018, 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by boostm3

In Europe!

They definitely detuned the whole car in the US otherwise it would have the same power as an M4

Without asking an engine coder to look at the software we'll never know. Ill reach out to CaryTheLabelGuy today maybe he has looked into an M2C files at this point.

chris719 · 08-27-2018, 08:42 AM

I wouldn't worry yet. The thing I noticed when driving M2 vs the M4 was how aggressive the throttle tip-in is on the OG M2. I suspect they made it even less aggressive than the M4 on M2C. Sounds like the steering ratio has been backed off a little also. I thought the main reason M2 felt so nimble was at least in part due to a quicker steering map just off center.

carl44 · 08-27-2018, 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by GoneIn4Secs

Thx for the review,

Why did the dealership let you drive the traded in m2 around?

This threads gonna make for alot of s55 fanboy salt

My dealer is great they give me the keys for anything and never go along. Been doing business with them for 21yrs. Bought 6 cars in the last 3 and referred 7 more. carl

dmk08 · 08-27-2018, 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by chris719

I wouldn't worry yet. The thing I noticed when driving M2 vs the M4 was how aggressive the throttle tip-in is on the OG M2. I suspect they made it even less aggressive than the M4 on M2C. Sounds like the steering ratio has been backed off a little also. I thought the main reason M2 felt so nimble was at least in part due to a quicker steering map just off center.

I felt my M4 ZCP was more aggressive on the throttle (in sport plus) than the OG M2s I have driven. Thats why I'm completely perplexed by the reports of sluggishness here.

ChrisK · 08-27-2018, 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by carl44

My dealer is great they give me the keys for anything and never go along. Been doing business with them for 21yrs. Bought 6 cars in the last 3 and referred 7 more. carl

Same here. I could take anything for a spin if I wanted.

carl44 · 08-27-2018, 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by MR.

Amazed you wrote exactly what I felt as well when I drove the M2C on track... A bit stunned about the fact you felt the exact same thing. My ex-journalist testing hasn't left me yet...

Now let's tune that thing and we will be in for a lot of fun! Such a f**king pity we have to do it and BMW didn't decide to make it decent from the get go.

MR

Thank you i enjoyed your posts. Not everyone drinks the Koolaid. I've never had a car that i felt some things couldn't be improved on. My record for the shortest time with a car was 5 days for a 996-911 40th anniversary edition . Bought on a Sunday traded on Friday on a 996-GT3. carl

carl44 · 08-27-2018, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by dmk08

Why because it makes torque later? That sluggish feeling people are having has to be the detune. It wasnt there on the M4.

If you want salt start talking about exhaust note

I closed the exhaust and ASD with bimmer link. Way over done! carl

dmk08 · 08-27-2018, 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by carl44

I closed the exhaust and ASD with bimmer link. Way over done! carl

By closing the exhaust you should notice a bump in bottom end and a decrease in top end. Good sound tho. I drove around in my M4 w/ the exhaust closed and AA mid pipe. Probably the best it ever sounded.

allthatisntnow · 08-27-2018, 09:04 AM

You aren't going to be using 100% throttle/ kickdown/ generally booting it in the break in period. Or at least, you shouldn't be.

Its just amazing how, whatever BMW do, there is like a switch that clicks in some people "oh, you know how we were whinging about this? We want that after all". When the N55 came out: "nah, N54 is a much better engine - twin turbo, non of this single turbo rubbish". Then the S55 is dropped into the M2 "Oh god, N55 is a much better engine, 'more torque down low' single turbo, non of this laggy twin turbo rubbish etc etc". It really is baffling.

10" · 08-27-2018, 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by allthatisntnow

You aren't going to be using 100% throttle/ kickdown/ generally booting it in the break in period. Or at least, you shouldn't be.

Its just amazing how, whatever BMW do, there is like a switch that clicks in some people "oh, you know how we were whinging about this? We want that after all". When the N55 came out: "nah, N54 is a much better engine - twin turbo, non of this single turbo rubbish". Then the S55 is dropped into the M2 "Oh god, N55 is a much better engine, 'more torque down low' single turbo, non of this laggy twin turbo rubbish etc etc". It really is baffling.

Well it's not so black and white..

I've owned an N54, N55, and have driven several S55 engines. There are some truths about each one of them..

N54: Plenty of lag, endless pull, sounds great

N55: almost no lag, flatter power band, sounds excellent

S55: mild lag, excellent power, sounds like crap

Being a fanboy of every new thing is not a good thing. Then again constant criticism is also not a good thing. The reality is that people should buy what suits them best. We should be happy BMW at least give some options to its buyers...unlike other companies.

Karmic Man · 08-27-2018, 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by GoneIn4Secs

Thx for the review,

Why did the dealership let you drive the traded in m2 around?

This threads gonna make for alot of s55 fanboy salt

Not a single bit. There are 10 other professional reviews that said the M2C is a better car

FSU_Logan · 08-27-2018, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by 10"

Well it's not so black and white..

I've owned an N54, N55, and have driven several S55 engines. There are some truths about each one of them..

N54: A lot of lag, endless pull and power, sounds good

N55: almost no lag, flatter power band, sounds excellent

S55: mild lag, excellent power, sounds like crap

Being a fanboy of every new thing is not a good thing. Then again constant criticism is also not a good thing. The reality is that people should buy what suits them best. We should be happy BMW at least give some options to its buyers...unlike other companies.

I don't think the S55 sounds like crap, but most people do not know the AA midpipe route is 100% the best way to have the best tone.. Sounds pretty damn good with it.

HPIA4v2 · 08-27-2018, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by dmk08

I felt my M4 ZCP was more aggressive on the throttle (in sport plus) than the OG M2s I have driven. Thats why I'm completely perplexed by the reports of sluggishness here.

+1
I haven't driven the M2 but with M3 in Sport+ and MDM, watch out.
This leads me to wonder, did OP turn the sport+ on M2C on? along with MDM if that's available on M2C.

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