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Also, you lost me when you said you'd cross shop a M2 CS with a GLE450. You're in a population of 1 there...lol. I'll give you the 8 series gran coupe comp, but nobody (expect you) is cross shopping a M2 CS with a GLE450. |
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12-16-2019, 01:22 PM | #751 | |
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MAYBE one of the upper end 718 variants fits the bill but, once again we're back into the 100k range with the GT4 and other models. |
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12-16-2019, 01:31 PM | #752 |
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Relax, guys. We’ve all seen this story before with CS/GTS. BMW will get a few suckers at MSRP, and a couple of ultra-suckers in California and Florida for MSRP + ADM.
The rest of us will wait a few months until the standard 35% off for GTS and CS goes into effect if you think this car is only worth $55-60k, just wait for a bit until you can purchase it for exactly that price |
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Sure you can spec out a Cayman S at $83K that can outperform a M2CS. But as we all know, it's not all about performance, it's the entire package, usability, warranty, after sales service, etc. if you're talking about performance, you can buy a mustang Shelby or C8 for much less that will outperform. Second comment about cross-shopping SUVs. I know one other member who is cross shopping between a M2CS and the new defender...and the point of my argument was competing against an entirely different model. Not literally a GLE450 to a M2CS or bust.
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Looks like with the additional 4 options: DCT, CCB, Cup 2 tires, & Gold wheels, the price will be around $100K after TTL....YIKES!!
Thank God those 4 items are optional, if I was going to order one, I won't need those 4 fancy options!! |
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12-16-2019, 01:49 PM | #757 | |
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I'm not saying it's going to happen, but (as previously discussed) with the current M4 ending production around June 2020, the timing would be right Other than potentially dissuading or upsetting a few M2 CS buyers, I think it would make sense |
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You aren't going to see an appreciable increase in performance on backroads by setting the suspension to an overly stiff mode. If you're that serious about being able to adjust you suspension, then a proper setup makes more sense no? |
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I'm lazy and incompetent to install my own coil overs and adjust accordingly. Just wanted something simple from the factory that meets my needs. Therefore, this is why BMW made this car. For people who don't wish to get their hands dirty with various mods haha. Now, I do admit I don't know how soft or firm the adjustable dampers get. But in my mind, there is quite the difference, this is why I want it! In addition to the soft merino leather seats for my butt.
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12-16-2019, 02:20 PM | #763 | |
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100% this M4CS 100% this M3CS 100% this M4GTS You have to REALLY want one to pre order. Otherwise it's worth the risk of missing out to save £30k? Over here it seems yes. I'm not saying it is it isn't worth it, just this is exactly how it plays out in the UK.
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Some people are not very intelligent. This is the same crowd that said that for 130k they've buy a GT3 instead of a M4 GTS... ignoring that over in the real world you need ~150 for a 911 GTS and more like 200k for a GT3. A Cayman S with normal options is close to 100k... I don't know why anyone feels the M2 CS is overpriced. There are some disgusting P car fanboys that for whatever reason want to stick around the M forums. God knows why. If I had a Camaro and there was some asshat in the Camaro forum going on and on and on about how wonderful M cars are... I'd seriously wonder about them. Everyone just adores how Porsche will sell a 4 banger Cayman S to you for 100k and praise how wonderful it is... now don't complain when BMW takes a page out of their book and starts offering seven thousand versions of their M cars.
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On another note, lease deals on m3/4 cs have been steals lately so not sure if this car is even worth it.
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I tried to provide my own personal perspective on this topic (having owned one P car and several BMWs) further back in the thread, but I think the main reason people get bent out of shape over the price of the CS is due to the basic perception of what makes sense to spend on a Porsche vs. a BMW. I also don't think you'd have this outcry if the M2C never existed - getting the S55 for a 5K raise over the OG M2 is quite the steal...and adding 25K for the CS raises some valid questions about the success of the CS pricing formula (the market clearly spoke for the F80 and F82 CS, which didn't "move" until considerable discounts were applied). The car will likely be brilliant, but the classic M formula is being stretched to its respective max here (M, to me anyway, has presented a value proposition in comparison to the Porsche alternatives). It's hard to argue that value proposition with an 85K M2 variant. Just my $.02....
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