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      01-16-2020, 07:41 AM   #23
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I've been down the power road with a N54 135i at 650+ hp, 1/8, 1/4, 1/2 mile racing etc.

Now I'm more into track driving and the N55 is plenty for the task, would make no sense to ad complexity and lose the beautiful sound for an S55 or even B series..
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BMW should've put a B58tu (380p version) into the OG M2 in the first place. So that it doesn't need to be phased out for emission in 2018.

And the M2 CS with the 450p S55 would be justified at 85k, and become a strong contender of the all time greatest M.
These are my thoughts exactly.
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When I had the N54 1M, the chassis dynamics had fault but exhilarating and kept me on my toes. I was never excited about the engine though (at least in stock tune) and to me it was a bit of a let down until a tune up. When the M3/M4 came out and after one extensive test drive, I was hooked. Since then the thought of a S55 made me wishy-washy, that was the engine that should be in the 1M.

The S55 is the only reason why I got the M2 Comp and I enjoyed every rev, every gear changes from it together with the 6MT.

Bravo M. Repeat with the G87 M2 and I am all in
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I'd just install a larger turbo set up on the N55.
+1, this guy gets it.

Maybe people with more money and car knowledge than myself would enjoy a project like that but I certainly wouldn't. You'd need deep pockets and it's also quite a lot of parts to have to install and potentially remove for service/resale. I personally would much rather have an engine where a few very basic bolt ons (Tune, Downpipes, IC) would be enough to make it move: N54/B58/S55. I'm not trying to add turbos, fuel pumps, gapped plugs, port injection, methanol, E85, charge pipes, dv's and god knows what else. That gets expensive and diagnosing issues becomes a headache. I don't want a project car that's constantly being worked on sitting in the garage. I just want to get in and drive and have everything work. To each their own I suppose.
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Maybe people with more money and car knowledge than myself would enjoy a project like that but I certainly wouldn't. You'd need deep pockets and it's also quite a lot of parts to have to install and potentially remove for service/resale. I personally would much rather have an engine where a few very basic bolt ons (Tune, Downpipes, IC) would be enough to make it move: N54/B58/S55. I'm not trying to add turbos, fuel pumps, gapped plugs, port injection, methanol, E85, charge pipes, dv's and god knows what else. That gets expensive and diagnosing issues becomes a headache. I don't want a project car that's constantly being worked on sitting in the garage. I just want to get in and drive and have everything work. To each their own I suppose.
I'm with you, but honestly, for a bit bigger turbo there aren't many more things you need to do as far as supporting mods. It's just a slightly weak link, like the intercooler, charge pipe, and base tune.

I also think the car moves just fine in stock form, it's just our nature as car guys to think it needs more because more can be had relatively easily.

480/480 in this car and not only moves, it's a damn beast.
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Maybe people with more money and car knowledge than myself would enjoy a project like that but I certainly wouldn't. You'd need deep pockets and it's also quite a lot of parts to have to install and potentially remove for service/resale. I personally would much rather have an engine where a few very basic bolt ons (Tune, Downpipes, IC) would be enough to make it move: N54/B58/S55. I'm not trying to add turbos, fuel pumps, gapped plugs, port injection, methanol, E85, charge pipes, dv's and god knows what else. That gets expensive and diagnosing issues becomes a headache. I don't want a project car that's constantly being worked on sitting in the garage. I just want to get in and drive and have everything work. To each their own I suppose.
I completely understand this point of view. But in my case, and I'm sure many others on here as well, do wrench on our own cars.

I don't switch cars often..they are money pits every time you get a new one...so I tinker. I make it my own. I keep it for the long haul. Working on things myself certainly saves $$$ vs just taking it to a shop and getting footed a ridiculous bill.

And there are tried and trued packages out there for turbos. It's the stage 3 stuff, more uncharted territory you seem to be describing.

PS2 is a direct swap. Get a fuel pump. Tune. Done.
Easiest route for actual gains. The engine is fantastic. It's the damn turbo..but many just write it off as being bad(N55)?

It's too torquey......problem: stock turbo
It doesn't rev out....problem: stock turbo
It doesn't have tuning potential.....problem: stock turbo
Try to tune, gets too hot....problem: stock turbo(out of efficiency range)

Was rolled out the factory this way by intention.

But since this is all hypothetical 'If you could, would you'...that s65....thats the last great hit. Everything else after is just another turboed car.
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Oh you'd be happy with it, you'd just cringe every time you heard it. I think the reliability stuff is overblown, especially if you're keeping it stock. It genuinely does sound bad though.
Reliability aside, sound plays a huge role in the overall fun factor of a car for me. While I'm sure the S55 is amazing in many many ways, the noise is the real deal-breaker for me.
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Reliability aside, sound plays a huge role in the overall fun factor of a car for me. While I'm sure the S55 is amazing in many many ways, the noise is the real deal-breaker for me.
I'm just giving you a hard time, you do you.

One of my first cars was a Nissan 350Z, which i then dailied for almost 14 years. That's like the automotive sound equivalent of being dropped as a baby. My threshold for where shitty sounding engines actually start bothering me is extraordinarily low. And if you think a 350Z sounds bad, you should hear my race car....its got a mid 70's pushrod v6 that redlines at 4K Rpm.

I appreciate a good sounding engine, and in a perfect world there would be no compromises, but here in this world, I'll always pick horsepower over sound. But again, it's easier for me because pretty much no matter what, I end up thinking "well hey...this sounds better than my Z did at least!"
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I'd just install a larger turbo set up on the N55.
+1, this guy gets it.

Maybe people with more money and car knowledge than myself would enjoy a project like that but I certainly wouldn't. You'd need deep pockets and it's also quite a lot of parts to have to install and potentially remove for service/resale. I personally would much rather have an engine where a few very basic bolt ons (Tune, Downpipes, IC) would be enough to make it move: N54/B58/S55. I'm not trying to add turbos, fuel pumps, gapped plugs, port injection, methanol, E85, charge pipes, dv's and god knows what else. That gets expensive and diagnosing issues becomes a headache. I don't want a project car that's constantly being worked on sitting in the garage. I just want to get in and drive and have everything work. To each their own I suppose.
I agree. Turbo upgrade is quite a project. A lot need to be taken care of, especially tuning wise.

BTW, without turbo upgrade, I don't think the N54 is any stronger than EWG N55. The N54 struggles to make anywhere near 400 on dynojet without meth/ethanol, while M2/M135/235i are pretty close on a nice day.
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I've entertained the thought of doing a N55 -> B58 swap in the far future, including the turbo, air-to-water intercooler and fuel pump, etc.. Realistically, does anyone know how much trouble it would be to get all the electronics connected? I assume you would need the B58 ECU, but beyond that, the dash cluster and iDrive should be similar and hopefully plug in? (Just guessing here lol).

I've seen articles of people hitting 500-600 WHP with bigger turbos, E50 and tune. Mighty tempting lmao.
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When I had the N54 1M, the chassis dynamics had fault but exhilarating and kept me on my toes. I was never excited about the engine though (at least in stock tune) and to me it was a bit of a let down until a tune up. When the M3/M4 came out and after one extensive test drive, I was hooked. Since then the thought of a S55 made me wishy-washy, that was the engine that should be in the 1M.

The S55 is the only reason why I got the M2 Comp and I enjoyed every rev, every gear changes from it together with the 6MT.

Bravo M. Repeat with the G87 M2 and I am all in
This , having had 1M too and OG M2 and now M2C, the S55 is the underrated masterpiece vs N54 and definitely vs the relatively low cost engineered N55.

N55 sound is awesome though, but it's not a track/high speed* driving engine vs S55. Tell me about it.

Each to their own and enjoy what you have.

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* 130-150mph mph for minutes it doesn't like. Mine didn't. Autobahn near Düsseldorf.....
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I'd keep the S55, although with an M4 CS flash. I would however swap my DCT for a 6MT...
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I'd only swap it for a stroked S65 or S85 that was built to not chew up its rod or main bearings. If those engines weren't time bombs, I'd already have owned an E92 M3.
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N55 sound is awesome though, but it's not a track/high speed* driving engine vs S55. Tell me about it.

* 130-150mph mph for minutes it doesn't like. Mine didn't. Autobahn near Düsseldorf.....
Dude, you have been banging this drum for so long you should just change your name to Keith Moon and be done with it. Do you know how many POV videos have been done with the N55 M2 on the autobahn at max speed for minutes at a time? Do you realize your car could have thrown an error code for any number of reasons, from a bad spark plug to a bad tank of gas? You took that one situation, from which zero conclusions could be drawn because there were too many variables at play, and you've turned it into a multi-year indictment of the N55. If I had a dollar for every time you've posted the phrase "not up to the task" about the N55, I'd buy the Netherlands and proclaim a new law against going on the Internet and posting the phrase "not up to the task".

We get it - your car threw an error code on the autobahn. And yes, we all know there's the other member whose car threw an error code somewhere in Italy and he acknowledged it happened one time and was never repeated. If you want to be upset that your car threw an error code, nobody will take that away from you. My almost-new Mustang 5.0 once stranded me about 10 miles out of Tampa, fuel pump died prematurely. Not a fun day. But I didn't then spend literally years posting about how the Mustang V8 wasn't "up to the task". You got an error code, they happen, can we please move on?
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4cil DTM engine with the anti lag system.

Then new smaler en nimbler specially a lot lighter m2 like the 1m coupe.

My 1635 kg m2 competition is too heavy. My wife s car an x1 is lighter on the scales then the M2C.


Toyota Makes a 1280kg Yaris GR with 4wd drive. And what does BMW ///M make? An entry level M car that is 1635kg and heavier then an X1 xdrive SUV
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honestly love the N55, but my dream bmw engine/ version of it would be an N/A N55 with a higher redline. like a modernized S54 and I would be over the moon.
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N55 sound is awesome though, but it's not a track/high speed* driving engine vs S55. Tell me about it.


* 130-150mph mph for minutes it doesn't like. Mine didn't. Autobahn near Düsseldorf.....
Oh shit someone should let my N55 know, It's been tracked several times.

But not being able to do 150 MPH for minutes is definitely a deal breaker. Now I'll never win 24 hours of Le Mans, or even impress my rich Russian friends at our annual airport runway drag races.

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I now own an S58 powered BMW but I'm still fond of the N55 as it was smooth and effortless driving around town, sounded great, and the fuel mileage was decent considering it's performance capability. The S58 doesn't sound as good and is flat out horrible on gas.
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At the exceptionally good price point I got my 2017 M2 (N55) and with some tune (stage 2 HEX, with CSF IC and Fabspeed DP) it is difficult to imagine at better package. It struggles for grip and sound is fantastic.
I make low 9 on 100-200km/h and that is ok for me. (Garmin Glonass measured).
Sure, I could always have more hp, but...
The only thing I could ask is 500 or so more rpm on top. For the sound.
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A guy reved his new M2C in a carpark for me. Felt embarrassed for him, literally sounded like a hoover...through a straw.

My car sound has presence.
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Dude, you have been banging this drum for so long you should just change your name to Keith Moon and be done with it. Do you know how many POV videos have been done with the N55 M2 on the autobahn at max speed for minutes at a time? Do you realize your car could have thrown an error code for any number of reasons, from a bad spark plug to a bad tank of gas? You took that one situation, from which zero conclusions could be drawn because there were too many variables at play, and you've turned it into a multi-year indictment of the N55. If I had a dollar for every time you've posted the phrase "not up to the task" about the N55, I'd buy the Netherlands and proclaim a new law against going on the Internet and posting the phrase "not up to the task".

We get it - your car threw an error code on the autobahn. And yes, we all know there's the other member whose car threw an error code somewhere in Italy and he acknowledged it happened one time and was never repeated. If you want to be upset that your car threw an error code, nobody will take that away from you. My almost-new Mustang 5.0 once stranded me about 10 miles out of Tampa, fuel pump died prematurely. Not a fun day. But I didn't then spend literally years posting about how the Mustang V8 wasn't "up to the task". You got an error code, they happen, can we please move on?
I had it also twice at trackdays as well.

My ex 2012 335i consumed way too much oil(N55) but hey, doesn't matter does it?


Thanks for your positive feedback, greatly appreciated.

I just want to mention N55 was not up to the task how I was driving it.

Sorry, won't happen again sir!


(What do I know about N55 anyway , had only three of them, and being just a new member I should STFU)



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