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      01-16-2020, 10:37 AM   #1255
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TRL gave the indication that each UK dealership was being allocated 2 cars (150 dealers = 300 cars). This morning I called to get my deposit back (placed back in Feb 2016!) and was told there will be 50 UK cars which sounds more believable. I'll take back what I said about crazy depreciation if there's only 50 cars but probably makes your decision a little more tricky
We're going to visit the dealership tomorrow. At the moment we're favouring going ahead.
If you don't mind me asking, what was behind you getting your deposit back at this late stage, especially since you placed it prior to the launch of the OG M2?!
On the other hand, I completely understand if you do not wish to disclose that.
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My information is that some UK dealerships got no cars, and some got only 1.

What is the source of the 50 figure?

I have no idea what UK total allocation is though. 50 sounds too low though, given that UK buys a high proportion of M cars (3rd largest global market).

Based on that it would be reasonable to expect about 200-300 cars for UK.
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My information is that some UK dealerships got no cars, and some got only 1.

What is the source of the 50 figure?

I have no idea what UK total allocation is though. 50 sounds too low though, given that UK buys a high proportion of M cars (3rd largest global market).

Based on that it would be reasonable to expect about 200-300 cars for UK.
Agreed!

No chance it is only 50 in the UK
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Smart move finally by BMW UK. They got burned and IMO damaged the brand rep of the 'CS' label with the M3/4. Too many allocations not taken up was not good for residuals.

If it's 50 car won't be sitting on lots with 33% discount to just over Competition prices.

Return to form, and I guess lessons learned, good stuff.
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TRL gave the indication that each UK dealership was being allocated 2 cars (150 dealers = 300 cars). This morning I called to get my deposit back (placed back in Feb 2016!) and was told there will be 50 UK cars which sounds more believable. I'll take back what I said about crazy depreciation if there's only 50 cars but probably makes your decision a little more tricky

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I have a UK allocation and have until Friday to decide whether to confirm an order. That was the basis of my query. I remember seeing that figure somewhere and was unsure as to whether it was speculative or something with more credibility.
Take what TRL says with a pinch of salt. There are 104 BMW M2CS (confirmed by BMW UK for me yesterday) for the UK market and there was just over 1500 customers that submitted their intent to buy one. Some dealers got ZERO allocations including some big dealers.

Im happy I got an allocation and Im going ahead.
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      01-17-2020, 06:08 AM   #1260
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My information is that some UK dealerships got no cars, and some got only 1.

What is the source of the 50 figure?

I have no idea what UK total allocation is though. 50 sounds too low though, given that UK buys a high proportion of M cars (3rd largest global market).

Based on that it would be reasonable to expect about 200-300 cars for UK.
This exactly, some dealer got ZERO M2CS. Total number of BMW M2CS's allocated for the UK is 104. I had it confirmed by BMW UK yesterday.
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The main reason for me deciding to pull out was the price. The depreciation we’ve seen on the M3/M4CS didn’t initially help with my decision but based on the possible low UK allocation I don’t think that’ll be an issue any more. I think it’ll be a cracking car but ultimately it comes down to price.

Regarding UK allocations. Tony Lewis aka TRL (well known sales guy for a BMW dealer) mentioned allocations had been made last Friday on another forum. He said 2 cars per dealer. When I spoke with my dealer (Park Lane) yesterday they said the UK allocation was 50 and that not all dealers had been allocated cars. How true all of these figures are, I don’t know. There’s no harm in speaking to your dealer yourself and asking the question about UK allocations.

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We're going to visit the dealership tomorrow. At the moment we're favouring going ahead.
If you don't mind me asking, what was behind you getting your deposit back at this late stage, especially since you placed it prior to the launch of the OG M2?!
On the other hand, I completely understand if you do not wish to disclose that.
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The main reason for me deciding to pull out was the price. The depreciation we've seen on the M3/M4CS didn't initially help with my decision but based on the possible low UK allocation I don't think that'll be an issue any more. I think it'll be a cracking car but ultimately it comes down to price.

Regarding UK allocations. Tony Lewis aka TRL (well known sales guy for a BMW dealer) mentioned allocations had been made last Friday on another forum. He said 2 cars per dealer. When I spoke with my dealer (Park Lane) yesterday they said the UK allocation was 50 and that not all dealers had been allocated cars. How true all of these figures are, I don't know. There's no harm in speaking to your dealer yourself and asking the question about UK allocations.

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We're going to visit the dealership tomorrow. At the moment we're favouring going ahead.
If you don't mind me asking, what was behind you getting your deposit back at this late stage, especially since you placed it prior to the launch of the OG M2?!
On the other hand, I completely understand if you do not wish to disclose that.
Having discussed allocations at length I have confirmation (in writing) from BMW UK that there is 104 M2CS for the UK market and as you rightly say, not all dealers got an allocation and even the odd dealer group didn't even get one.
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This exactly, some dealer got ZERO M2CS. Total number of BMW M2CS's allocated for the UK is 104. I had it confirmed by BMW UK yesterday.
With Canada and UK getting allocations confirmed, you would think US is next behind? Certainly in February if start of production is early March?
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This exactly, some dealer got ZERO M2CS. Total number of BMW M2CS's allocated for the UK is 104. I had it confirmed by BMW UK yesterday.
With Canada and UK getting allocations confirmed, you would think US is next behind? Certainly in February if start of production is early March?
It seems (I may be wrong) other markets are getting confirmed/sold out allocations first and the US are getting the remaining cars. Maybe to prevent cars sitting in dealers like the M3/4CS. BMW seem to be putting a customer order to every build slot for the 1 year production (with exception of press/HQ cars etc).

Lets be honest, the US could shift all 2200 cars IMHO.
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The main reason for me deciding to pull out was the price. The depreciation weíve seen on the M3/M4CS didnít initially help with my decision but based on the possible low UK allocation I donít think thatíll be an issue any more. I think itíll be a cracking car but ultimately it comes down to price.

Regarding UK allocations. Tony Lewis aka TRL (well known sales guy for a BMW dealer) mentioned allocations had been made last Friday on another forum. He said 2 cars per dealer. When I spoke with my dealer (Park Lane) yesterday they said the UK allocation was 50 and that not all dealers had been allocated cars. How true all of these figures are, I donít know. Thereís no harm in speaking to your dealer yourself and asking the question about UK allocations.
Thanks for answering. I was just curious as to whether you having the same doubts as us!
My wife and I had an agonising last weekend as to whether to go ahead with this. We were backwards and forwards numerous times. Every time we believed we'd decided, we then came out with counter arguments and changed our mind again! By Sunday evening I was going to contact the dealer the following morning to withdraw. Monday morning came and my wife indicated that she wasn't sure about withdrawing. Then the whole to-ing and fro-ing recommenced!
In the end she just said let's go for it and lets just enjoy the car.
Like yourself I had drawn parallels with the M3/M4 CS situation having looked at the classifieds.
I too considered it to be expensive, having personally predicted a price of £60-65k. I suspected that the additional £10k was the price of exclusivity. But I just felt that I needed a little reassurance that this exclusivity was genuine before taking the plunge.
I spoke with my salesman who stated that the manner in which this car had been launched and the build-up to it was different to the M3/M4 CS. The number of 1500 UK deposits started to filter through from several different sources, together with UK allocations ranging from 55-104 cars, which also calmed our nerves and today we attended the dealer and confirmed our order.
The sales team appeared genuinely excited that they were getting one at their dealership (the only one too) and stated that in their opinion it was the most exclusive model they'd had since the 1M.
According to them, the allocation comes from BMW to the customer via the dealer and had I declined to proceed it would have gone back to BMW to be allocated to another customer elsewhere. So from that it is not dealers that are allocated cars, but customers who have placed deposits.
I'm sure time will tell, but we're beginning to become quite excited now and are confident we'll enjoy the car.
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Just got a call from my dealer. He said M2CS production the end of the 2nd Quarter. (USA)
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According to them, the allocation comes from BMW to the customer via the dealer and had I declined to proceed it would have gone back to BMW to be allocated to another customer elsewhere. So from that it is not dealers that are allocated cars, but customers who have placed deposits.
Same over here in Belgium. You could reserve an M2 CS allocation through a dedicated website subject to the payment of a €1.5K refundable "reservation fee". If no sale materialized, the slot went back to BMW Belux (Belgium + Luxembourg) and the reservation fee was refunded. This helps avoiding coin-flippers to "sell" their slot.

Still to date, M2 CS slots are available out of 131 M2 CS cars for Belgium + Luxembourg. Discounts negotiable. No waiting lists. No markups. No VIP status requirements.
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Just got a call from my dealer. He said M2CS production the end of the 2nd Quarter. (USA)
I was/am planning to do European Delivery, if that's true it'll be crappy to do ED in November or whenever.
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I was/am planning to do European Delivery, if that's true it'll be crappy to do ED in November or whenever.
2nd quarter means April, May, June. Sounds like earliest delivery probably July or August.
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2nd quarter means April, May, June. Sounds like earliest delivery probably July or August.
End of 2nd...also counting on being later as the coasts always seem to get allocations first with the middle states lagging behind. Was planning to spend most of my time in the Alps.
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Still to date, M2 CS slots are available out of 131 M2 CS cars for Belgium + Luxembourg. Discounts negotiable. No waiting lists. No markups. No VIP status requirements.

Wow Ö. how can there be oversupply to Belgium, yet the UK being 10x oversubscribed?

Are you sure?

And why so many cars for Belgium?
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Still to date, M2 CS slots are available out of 131 M2 CS cars for Belgium + Luxembourg. Discounts negotiable. No waiting lists. No markups. No VIP status requirements.
Wow …. how can there be oversupply to Belgium, yet the UK being 10x oversubscribed?

Are you sure?

And why so many cars for Belgium?
They know Artemis. That's why.
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Wow …. how can there be oversupply to Belgium, yet the UK being 10x oversubscribed?
Are you sure?
And why so many cars for Belgium?
Belgium + Luxembourg:
  • initially 45 M2 CS cars out of 2200;
  • subsequently increased to 100;
  • finally increased to 131 because of high garnered interest.
By the time of the official M2 CS release early November, BMW Belux disclosed in a brief video interview that 76 out of 100 had been "reserved" and the remaining 24 were expected to be soon spoken for. It was recommended "to be quick if you wanted one".

Fast forward in time and I heard through the grapevine a few weeks ago that 90 out of 131 had been spoken for (41 still available back then).

I don't know the current figure but earlier this week someone asked BMW at the Brussels Auto Show whether all 131 allocations are spoken for in the meantime: "No".

So demand is not outstripping low 'limited edition' supply over here. There is a difference between garnered interest and signed orders. Needless to say that the ambitious price-point for the M2 CS (base price difference between M2C and M2 CS = €31.5K or 48.5% extra, and big discounts are currently offered for M2C widening the price-gap even further over here) is key to explain why the M2 CS is not sold out yet to customers and dealers over here. And about discounts: ask and thou shalt receive. Actually, if an M2 CS would be sold at MSRP over here, the customer must have forgotten to ask for a discount.
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Don't know how Porsche Cayman/Boxster GTS 4-banger sales fared, but maybe the following could be an indication that things didn't work out as expected: 2020 Porsche 718 Boxster GTS 4.0 and 718 Cayman GTS 4.0 = back to 6-cyl NA (see here for the official info). This may upset current GTS 4-banger owners though (value taking another hit).

Base price over here in Belgium (manual transmission):
  • Porsche 718 Cayman GTS 4.0: 85,256.60 EUR
  • Porsche 718 Boxster GTS 4.0: 87,313.60 EUR
  • Porsche 718 Spyder: 96,170.80 EUR
  • BMW M2 CS: 96,500.00 EUR
  • Porsche 718 GT4: 99,074.80 EUR
Price-wise, these 718 GTS 4.0 models may be a closer competitor to the M2 CS than the 718 GT4. Of course, also consider what the cars get as standard equipment.

6-cyl reference in the license plate and the "6" stitched on the shirt: Porsche marketing folks getting pretty overzealous in a "Petrolheads, please can we be friends again ?" fashion...


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