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      09-19-2019, 11:54 AM   #23
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That's a lot of $$ for such a small difference. I could swap my 788 wheels on the M2C for 763's and lose 30lbs personally. Done
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You still want it at 120-150k$? Man that's a lot for factory warranty parts and a lackluster tune. Exclusivity won't matter. Just ask M4 gts owners.
What? The price of the new M2CS is going to be in the upper $70k range.

Where in gods name are you getting $120-$150k?
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Regarding the difference in lap times between the CS and Competition I would suggest that we look at what the article actually says about this (and this is a track they do a lot of testing on).

In essence they say that the 2.1s difference seems significant even at first glance. But then you have to consider that the reference time (Competition) was set in colder temperatures, or in effect better conditions.

From this it's clear that the magazine's view is that the gap in lap time is significant.
Their feeling is however that most of the time saved is down to more power and better grip (tyres).
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You still want it at 120-150k$? Man that's a lot for factory warranty parts and a lackluster tune. Exclusivity won't matter. Just ask M4 gts owners.
What? The price of the new M2CS is going to be in the upper $70k range.
Where in gods name are you getting $120-$150k?
Upper 70K?

They posted already at 95K

To me it's not worth the extra dough!!!!
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It's a shame no one can Just celebrate and enjoy progress and what's sure to be an amazing car.
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Upper 70K?
They posted already at 95K
To me it's not worth the extra dough!!!!
That wasn't even for the US. That was the price thrown around for Belgium.
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two seconds faster? not sure what to think of this- extra parts bin BMW with Porsche GT3 tires lighter, more power, couldnt go faster? cmon
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I've been waiting for more details about the CS and man, this is disappointing.

I know the conditions were different and that Cup 2s need to be warmed up, but to only be less than two seconds quicker with Cup 2's vs. Super Sports? Come on now.
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      09-19-2019, 12:49 PM   #31
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Celebrate an overpriced car? Cmon, that's marketing dept talk. Look for the money over stock M2 Comp, the insane amount over stock M2 Comp, simply cannot justify a warm fuzzy feeling for this car.
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I've been waiting for more details about the CS and man, this is disappointing.
I know the conditions were different and that Cup 2s need to be warmed up, but to only be less than two seconds quicker with Cup 2's vs. Super Sports? Come on now.
Less than 2 seconds?

It's 2.1 sec faster and the article states that even without considering the better conditions that the Competition model was tested under thats a significant difference!

2 seconds on a short track is a lot! Do 5 laps and the CS is over 10 seconds ahead. Visualize having to wait 10 seconds for the Competition to pass after the CS crosses the line... It's a loooong wait!
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M2 CS vs M2 Competition tested at Hockenheim GP-Kurs track. The test wasn't back to back. Though interestingly the CS seems not much quicker considering the ambient temp, brake and tire difference.
Performance figures:
M2 CS 0-100kmh: 4.1s
M2 Competition 0-100kmh: 4.5s
Should be 4.2s for Competition.
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Less than 2 seconds?
It's 2.1 sec faster and the article states that even without considering the better conditions that the Competition model was tested under thats a significant difference!
2 seconds on a short track is a lot! Do 5 laps and the CS is over 10 seconds ahead. Visualize having to wait 10 seconds for the Competition to pass after the CS crosses the line... It's a loooong wait!
It would be less than one second with R compounds on both cars. Super Sports are an old tire, they are slower even compared to the new 4S.
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Upgrade the M2C to 763M wheels and stickier tires, throw in a M4CS tune and maybe the CF hood for fun. Done. If you are headed to the track throw in some coilovers.
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I'd imagine if you put a tune on the Comp + the same tires they'd be extremely close. A good tune would be less than a $1k mod.

You're basically paying for the warranty. Not gonna lie though, adaptive suspension sounds nice for street/track duty - that's probably not (easily) retrofittable.
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Pilot Sport Cup 2 tires in the M2CS. PSS on the M2. Likely responsible for most of the difference.

Kind of an unfair comparison with different tires.
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M2 CS is what it is, a cash grab parts bin special with zero tangible increase in performance.
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Less than 2 seconds?
It's 2.1 sec faster and the article states that even without considering the better conditions that the Competition model was tested under thats a significant difference!
2 seconds on a short track is a lot! Do 5 laps and the CS is over 10 seconds ahead. Visualize having to wait 10 seconds for the Competition to pass after the CS crosses the line... It's a loooong wait!
Visual a price north of 100k and you'd be better suited buying any version Cayman GT4 and waxing the M2. Im not a Porsche guy, but for the money invested, why bother if the CS comes out at near 95-100k?

Im with seemingly more and more people. Basic mods meaning tires, tune, coilovers etc. Save the 30 grand and you get can a beautiful comfortably daily driver with dough saved.
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I just took a look at track times, and a 1:55 is up there with some pretty quick rides. Definitely not a great track for differentiating the competition. I thought the BMW guys said it hit a 7:42 on the ring same as 981 GT4. Wasn't the M2C 10-12s slower.

The M2C is a fantastic platform. Look at the limited amount of mods to get it to a 7:12. You can make a C as quick as a CS for sure, and much quicker. But stock for stock the CS is superior, and it should be.
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Wow those temperatures are extremely different - not a fair comparison...
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You still want it at 120-150k$? Man that's a lot for factory warranty parts and a lackluster tune. Exclusivity won't matter. Just ask M4 gts owners.
What? The price of the new M2CS is going to be in the upper $70k range.
Where in gods name are you getting $120-$150k?
The price of the testet car is stated 105k €, this is around 117k $...so you can remove VAT (think 20% somebody mentioned) and then you probably haves a estimate how much $ it is for US...

So with this calc. the tested car woul be around 94k $...
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Tyres...Cup 2 vs PSS
To be honest not too big of a difference...I still want the CS though
Hardly any difference for the price you pay for M2 CS. It looks like M2C has hit the sweet spot.
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Would love to see the comparo with like tires...
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