[Bosozoku]

Originally Posted by Artemis

... But regardless of all that's said in this thread, it's the chassis that mainly matters.

So the lead question should be: "How excellent are its driving dynamics ?", rather than "Does it feature [THIS/THAT] option ?".

Bingo.

Some people on this thread want to load their M2s up with comfort-hog features.

Others want "That STANCE!" and get into a metro-tizzy deciding between 4.4mm vs. 4.7mm spacers.

Yet others want BMW to offer their favorite shade of flaming lavender as a factory color option.

Meanwhile, back in the real world, BMW is spending millions developing the M2's chassis.

[fuddman]

Originally Posted by Artemis

So the lead question should be: "How excellent are its driving dynamics ?", rather than "Does it feature [THIS/THAT] option ?".

+1
Example: 1M 0-60 4.8.
Expected M2 0-62 4.5 which is about 4.0, 0-60

[HF Integrale]

Originally Posted by fuddman

+1
Example: 1M 0-60 4.8.
Expected M2 0-62 4.5 which is about 4.0, 0-60

More like 4.3 (maybe 4.2) to 60 mph (it doesn't take half a second to go an extra 2mph).

[fuddman]

Originally Posted by HF Integrale

More like 4.3 (maybe 4.2) to 60 mph (it doesn't take half a second to go an extra 2mph).

Prior to the M4 release, a BMW M biggee revealed the 0-100 kmh (0-62 mph) time for the M4 was going to be about 4.4. When the car came out, BMW published the 0-60 time as 3.9. Which, I think is still the official BMW published time for that car.
That's what I'm going by, i.e, drop .5 seconds from 0-100 kmh to get close to 0-60 time.
Guessing? Yes.

[M3 Number 86]

Originally Posted by fuddman

I know where you're coming from.
On a longer trip, I sometimes get bored. So I play with it and make discoveries. BMW says odds are your max mpg is 21. I love beating the odds. Oh, and , to me, the GGT on my sticker is a source of pride.

I could never get to 20mph even in cruising on the highway. Max I get is 19.99999999999. Not quite 20.

[IS3andME]

Originally Posted by Bosozoku

Bingo.

Some people on this thread want to load their M2s up with comfort-hog features.

Others want "That STANCE!" and get into a metro-tizzy deciding between 4.4mm vs. 4.7mm spacers.

Yet others want BMW to offer their favorite shade of flaming lavender as a factory color option.

Meanwhile, back in the real world, BMW is spending millions developing the M2's chassis.

Yep, and that my friend is what has happened to the M cars as they have become more mainstream. People other than the hardcore want the cars, so BMW has to make their main M cars available with damn near everything. I think that this part of what has made the M5/M6, and M3s so heavy.

And yo don't see this thinking in just the automotive world. Look at gyms. Gyms have gotten to the point where they have all the comforts of home, and are now meeting places instead of places to work out. This is to get the customers that normally wouldn't work out, to join. Just look at Planet Fitness, they even have "Pizza Night"!!!

[OrangeCrush]

Originally Posted by Bosozoku

Bingo.

Some people on this thread want to load their M2s up with comfort-hog features.

Others want "That STANCE!" and get into a metro-tizzy deciding between 4.4mm vs. 4.7mm spacers.

Yet others want BMW to offer their favorite shade of flaming lavender as a factory color option.

Meanwhile, back in the real world, BMW is spending millions developing the M2's chassis.

I already know the chassis is going to spectacular. I wish NAV and electric seats were not standard...but, it is what it is.

[scottomfg]

Originally Posted by GFK007

I'm genuinely surprised that no one else is a bit underwhelmed.

It's hard to get excited when there are so few exterior color options, a single interior option, a single rim option, and no carbon roof or guaranteed M seat as in the f80 and f82.

The very idea of owning an M car, which has long been a dream of mine, almost seems more appealing to me in theory than actually spending what will be close to 60k for this car.

If it doesn't lease well, I would be very inclined to get an f80.

I have similar feelings. No doubt this car will drive like a beast. But I'm not spending all that money *just* for that. Part of the reason to order a new BMW is to customize it exactly how you want it--for me, it helps make it a special car, made just for me. But with these very limited color options and no interior ones, there is no real point in that. And one of the reasons to get an M car is the little things that you can't get anywhere else (production-wise) like the seats, the CF roof, the hood bump. I want a car that is super fun to drive, but I also want something a bit unique and a little special. I was set on replacing my M235i with an M2 when the time came, but now I'm feeling pretty un-excited about that avenue.

If I don't get any real options to choose from, and some special M-car niceties, a couple-year-old 2nd gen Cayman S is starting to look more and more like my next car. The lack of choices won't bother me much (I can surely find a white, black or grey one with black leather, ha). The ones on CarMax are cheaper than my M2 probably will be, add in the famous CarMax extended warranty (where you can get everything covered and repaired at Porsche dealers) and they probably cost about the same. And if that's the case, well . . . damn, I really thought I'd be driving BMWs in the future, but perhaps not.

I can totally see why people are excited for the M2, and it will be a rad car, no doubt. But coming from a MG M235i, my eyes are starting to wander. Seem like some short-sighted thinking on BMW's part here.

[Hemisedan]

Originally Posted by OrangeCrush

I already know the chassis is going to spectacular. I wish NAV and electric seats were not standard...but, it is what it is.

Hey guy, what are you doing over here? Me too, thinking about upping to s 2 series coupe. Not the M series like I'd like, but it's little brother. See ya.

Bill:

[fuddman]

Originally Posted by M3 Number 86

I could never get to 20mph even in cruising on the highway. Max I get is 19.99999999999. Not quite 20.

Are you driving an e9xM car with DCT?
It's gotta be a somewhat long trip. Turn off the air conditioning, get in the slow lane, drop your speed to 60 and ignore your wife/girlfriend saying you drive like a little old man. 23 is doable with a DCT.

[OrangeCrush]

Didn't Scott say a while ago that there were going to be new wheels made for the M2? What happened to that?

[Adem1534]

Originally Posted by OrangeCrush

Didn't Scott say a while ago that there were going to be new wheels made for the M2? What happened to that?

I believe that was months ago. Things change, or it was just a rumor.

[Hazey82]

You guys put too much faith in this Scott guy. I remember him referencing seat covers with something like "ooh what's this I wonder why the seats are covered" what for?? Blue stitching...what a joke
I hope that they do come with unique seats other than stitching and alcantara in which case I will happily apologise.

[Pentium]

Interesting news and more interesting comments :P

[hellrotm]

Originally Posted by Hazey82

You guys put too much faith in this Scott guy. I remember him referencing seat covers with something like "ooh what's this I wonder why the seats are covered" what for?? Blue stitching...what a joke
I hope that they do come with unique seats other than stitching and alcantara in which case I will happily apologise.

He has a long list of cars that were coming in future, that never showed up. His info is about 50% correct at best. Does he have inside knowledge, most likely. But I never take his word as fact.

[Bosozoku]

Originally Posted by IS3andME

Yep, and that my friend is what has happened to the M cars as they have become more mainstream. People other than the hardcore want the cars, so BMW has to make their main M cars available with damn near everything. I think that this part of what has made the M5/M6, and M3s so heavy.

And yo don't see this thinking in just the automotive world. Look at gyms. Gyms have gotten to the point where they have all the comforts of home, and are now meeting places instead of places to work out. This is to get the customers that normally wouldn't work out, to join. Just look at Planet Fitness, they even have "Pizza Night"!!!

Wow. I haven't been to a gym in a *long* time! (I just do hikes in the mountains.)
Everything is entertainment now, even feeling the burn.

[Bosozoku]

Originally Posted by OrangeCrush

I already know the chassis is going to spectacular. I wish NAV and electric seats were not standard...but, it is what it is.

I hear ya. More complexity = more potential failures and more weight and more cost.

(Though I think I read "Power heated seats is an option" in the OP's features list.)

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by OrangeCrush

Didn't Scott say a while ago that there were going to be new wheels made for the M2? What happened to that?

He did mention that a while ago - IIRC it was in the context of the private showing at one of the bigger EU car shows earlier this year - just can't recall which one.

Things can certainly change...there's certainly a precedent for using the M3(4) wheel of the time, since that's what they did with the 1M, albeit from the ZHP package.

I had originally wondered if that meant that the F8X ZHP wheel would "debut" on the M2 - just reverse order this time...

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by BlackJetE90

He has a long list of cars that were coming in future, that never showed up. His info is about 50% correct at best. Does he have inside knowledge, most likely. But I never take his word as fact.

It used to be better - aka in the early days of the E92.

It's been a rate of steadily diminishing returns.

[classyfast]

Originally Posted by IS3andME

Yep, and that my friend is what has happened to the M cars as they have become more mainstream. People other than the hardcore want the cars, so BMW has to make their main M cars available with damn near everything. I think that this part of what has made the M5/M6, and M3s so heavy.

And yo don't see this thinking in just the automotive world. Look at gyms. Gyms have gotten to the point where they have all the comforts of home, and are now meeting places instead of places to work out. This is to get the customers that normally wouldn't work out, to join. Just look at Planet Fitness, they even have "Pizza Night"!!!

Agree with everything you said except about Planet Fitness! Lol. I travel a lot for work, and only got a PF membership because there are millions of them out there wherever I go (and I stay on it, when I'm traveling instead of wasting away in bars, restaurants etc...) in NJ they flat out suck, NY decent but everywhere else you can get a hardcore workout in after hours without all that shit pizza and bagels bullshit. Yeah it's definitely a place that caters to un-athletic out of shape folks but at least they are in there trying instead of slobbing it up on the couch in front of the TV!! Lol.

But you are right on point with the rest man!!!

[spellbmw]

The more I read about the M2, the more disappointed I am with it in terms of limited options.
I drove the M235i when I came out: too domesticated of a drive compared to my 135i with M-Sport line, PPK, etc. Meh. Was hoping the M2 would have not only better performance but broader options. Guess not for 2016. Maybe in 2017.
For now, will stick with my 2010 135i that I love and my K1300S motorcycle.

[clubsport]

Question for you 1M experts.

Being limited production up front, did dealers order "Demo" cars? I thought they were all customer ordered cars based on availability.