[KGB_123_99]

Looks nice and should be very quick to drive! Hopefully the pricing will be similar to a fully loaded 340i to stay competitive.

As for the mirrors...guys BMW will probably sell you M Performance mirrors (not sure myself if I'm being sarcastic or not)

[W///]

Originally Posted by e92miami

So no CF roof and drive shaft, that will explain the extra 116lbs over the M4.

Actually, no it doesn't. Those by themselves do not weigh 116 lbs over a normal driveshaft and sunroof deleted regular roof.

[MPower10s]

I like it, and I hope its around in 3 years when my current lease is up, but that fake side vent is a complete joke. at least throw an m3/4 air breather on there

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by Nightfall

Nope, it's pretty much the same as the regular 2-series. There aren't any perfomance oriented options at all (apart from the automatic transmission).

You're kidding, I hope?

[MrCsquared]

Reading a lot of these posts, I would just like to say one thing.

A tuned M235i will NOT be an M2, the same way a tuned 135/335 never was a 1M/M3. If solely drag racing, horsepower figures, and outright straight line performance is your cup of tea, the M brand isn't for you IMO lol.

[Cope]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

I would bet that when thy decided they had the option of spending money on DCT vs things like an official " S" motor, bespoke " M" seats that can be changed out , a CF ROOF, and "M" Mirrors that it was a very easy decision to go with the DCT over all those other features.

As a manual enthusiast I would despise that line of reasoning lol.

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The x6m rear bumper and wisdom teeth recently removed front bumper will have to grow on me but what I like most about the M2 is that it will prove itself as an M car through driving dynamics and driving experience rather than special roofs, silly mirrors, seats with dumb light up M badges, etc. The laundry list of upgrades the M2 received, I feel, will be much more important than those. So while I certainly would want those things, I have no trouble forgetting all about them if the M2 can deliver an excellent driving experience.

[bobloblaw]

Someone on another forum who owns and modifies an F80 and 911 Turbo said this. Not sure how accurate all of it is.

"Also, the engine has a closed deck, is N55 based, and has the same rods and pistons as the S55 from what I've seen so far. I have a sneaking suspicion it's the S55 with a single turbo and normal FMIC strapped to it. Time will tell. If the timing chain and all is on the front of the motor, it's probably the S55. The new B58 has all the timing mechanicals on the back of the motor for some reason."

Hopefully we get new engine details soon.

[WAY]

Does anyone know what the "open pore carbon fibre" trim is? Is it real cf? Or is it soft touch or plastic like the A45 for example? I like the real CF on my M3 and M4 but this isn't the same material clearly.

For all those complaining about the lack of cf roof, at least we can put roof racks then unlike M3/M4! 😛

[silvs]

With a baby on the way, M2 GC please!

[bobloblaw]

Originally Posted by WAY

Does anyone know what the "open pore carbon fibre" trim is? Is it real cf? Or is it soft touch or plastic like the A45 for example? I like the real CF on my M3 and M4 but this isn't the same material clearly.

For all those complaining about the lack of cf roof, at least we can put roof racks then unlike M3/M4! ��

I believe people said it's the same CF as the one in the M performance parts catalog

http://www.shopbmwusa.com/PRODUCT/38...-INTERIOR-TRIM

[Paul-Bracq-BMW]

Originally Posted by e92miami

So no CF roof and drive shaft, that will explain the extra 116lbs over the M4.

You need to check your facts.

DIN Weight: All fluids + 90% fuel in the car, no driver. EU weight: All fluids + 90% fuel in the car, 75kg driver.

M2 unladen weight DIN/EU: 1495 kgs/1570 kgs (3296 pounds/ 3461 pounds)

M4 unladen weight DIN/EU: 1497 kgs/1572 kgs (3300 pounds/ 3466 pounds)

M3 Unladen weight DIN/EU: 1520 kgs /1595 kgs (3351 pounds/ 3516 pounds)

M2 is 2 kgs lighter than the M4, or 4.45 pounds; and 25 kg lighter than the M3, or 55 pounds

[Stratus650]

I think the rear reflectors wont look that good on AW

I believe blacking out the reflectors similar to the black plastic cover on the 1M would be trendy on the M2

What do you think Artemis !?

[SamS]

Originally Posted by bobloblaw

Someone on another forum who owns and modifies an F80 and 911 Turbo said this. Not sure how accurate all of it is.

"Also, the engine has a closed deck, is N55 based, and has the same rods and pistons as the S55 from what I've seen so far. I have a sneaking suspicion it's the S55 with a single turbo and normal FMIC strapped to it. Time will tell. If the timing chain and all is on the front of the motor, it's probably the S55. The new B58 has all the timing mechanicals on the back of the motor for some reason."

Hopefully we get new engine details soon.

We already know it's not S55 nor B58-based. It's quite clear, it's a N55B30T0, which means it's the "top" output N55 motor. And it differs from the S55 in at least the following ways:

• Different bore/stroke
• Intake/Exhaust valves
• Turbo(s)
• Intercooler
• Coolant pump/thermostat
• Intake

etc.

[bradleyland]

Originally Posted by Paul-Bracq-BMW

You need to check your facts.

DIN Weight: All fluids + 90% fuel in the car, no driver. EU weight: All fluids + 90% fuel in the car, 75kg driver.

M2 unladen weight DIN/EU: 1495 kgs/1570 kgs (3296 pounds/ 3461 pounds)

M4 unladen weight DIN/EU: 1497 kgs/1572 kgs (3300 pounds/ 3466 pounds)

M3 Unladen weight DIN/EU: 1520 kgs /1595 kgs (3351 pounds/ 3516 pounds)

M2 is 2 kgs lighter than the M4, or 4.45 pounds; and 25 kg lighter than the M3, or 55 pounds

Seriously? Wow. Outside of price, I cannot think of a single reason to buy this car over an M4. I cannot believe that BMW couldn't get the weight of the 2-series down to a reasonable level.

[bradleyland]

Originally Posted by SamS

We already know it's not S55 nor B58-based. It's quite clear, it's a N55B30T0, which means it's the "top" output N55 motor. And it differs from the S55 in at least the following ways:

• Different bore/stroke
• Intake/Exhaust valves
• Turbo(s)
• Intercooler
• Coolant pump/thermostat
• Intake

etc.

Most of the engine changes were what I expected, but when they announced the closed deck design in the X4 M40i, I was really surprised. That means a different casting between the N55B30O0 and N55B30T0, which is a serious commitment from BMW.

I really wasn't expecting that. I have no idea how close this block will be to the S55, but really, it's not terribly important IMO. How many people have tuned their N55 to the point that they're running in to limitations of the open-deck design? More important is the use of the crank and pistons from the S55, which I would presume are lighter, which should make the engine rev more freely.

[SW19]

Originally Posted by adc

Size matters not.

Weight does. There is practically an 80-90lbs difference between my car and an M2 which is not very significant, at least compared to the tire size difference.

It might drive a bit different due to the smaller wheelbase, but to me the M2 is heavy for a car of such small footprint. I don't mean to rain on anyone's parade, I hope new owners will be happy with it. Just don't see any advantage in it the way it's specced out right now.

For reference, I've started with an E36 M3 too.

If your OK with the size of the F80 M3 then I hope you enjoy it.IMO it is still way to big of a car that I would want to drive and I still hate the design of the headlights.

[Roundown]

Originally Posted by edwinm3

1M prices will probably drop now, why try to get a 1M when you can get this. Nice car too bad no CF roof.

You can't lease a 1M (at least, not anymore).

I suspect the average 1M owner (now largely second and even third owners) bought their 1M for different reasons than many are buying/leasing an M2.

In other words- different buyers.

I'd worry more about M235i prices than 1M prices.

My 2c on styling- while subjective- is that it's a bit X5/6M for my taste. Almost feels like the body kit was meant for a larger car. It verges on Lexus-ish for me.

Regarding performance, this thing is an absolute home run at its price point. Though I am a bit disappointed that they didn't improve upon the 1M's power/weight and I am a bit nervous that they haven't mentioned improvements to EPS.

For context, I grew up with the brand when they were known for large atriums and pronounced fenders (ala E46 M3, 1M) and I own a 1M, have a 981 Spyder on the way and am first on the list at my dealer for an M2 (which I planned to DD).

[e92miami]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

This thing weighs MORE ? Than an M4?

Yep!

[michal12]

Haha! Did anyone also notice the Porsche note to the exhaust?

[WWM3]

So much complaint about the seats. I didn't realize that M had this long history of providing unique seats for their M cars and that this is the first to break the tradition.

[bobloblaw]

Originally Posted by WWM3

So much complaint about the seats. I didn't realize that M had this long history of providing unique seats for their M cars and that this is the first to break the tradition.

Different people have different desires... I'm disappointed in the dakota leather 2er sport seats, but it's not a deal breaker. My ass is in the seat 100% of the time I'm driving the car, so of course it adds a lot to the special feel of a car.

Here's the seats Audi uses in the S3

[ihc95]

Originally Posted by SamS

We already know it's not S55 nor B58-based. It's quite clear, it's a N55B30T0, which means it's the "top" output N55 motor. And it differs from the S55 in at least the following ways:

• Different bore/stroke
• Intake/Exhaust valves
• Turbo(s)
• Intercooler
• Coolant pump/thermostat
• Intake

etc.

The N54, N55, and S55 all have identical bore and stroke dimensions.