[yawn]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

The F80 CS also sounds killer - I have grown to like how my ZCP sounds but I wish we could get the M3 CS' sound into the M2C somehow -

You can. There's this thing called ASD coding

[carl44]

Originally Posted by chris719

Do you have a C7 or have you driven one to compare with?

No i don't have one but I've driven several including a Z06 on the track at Spring Mountain. They are monsters but compared to my GT4 its like doing surgery with a meat cleaver. If you want bang for the buck their hard to beat. carl

[AGM2]

how about the SOUND regular M2

Originally Posted by Cadillac

[carl44]

Originally Posted by chmura

I don’t even know why people are even reading this review. Come back with a review after 1200 run in service is performed.

As i have stated several times, its just my initial impressions. Not meant to compete with a road test. There's a saying"no good deed goes unpunished"
carl

[MJCRO]

Much appreciated Carl!

More or less what I expected. I’m sure it’s a great car, but definitely not worth the upgrade from the M2 unless tracking it is the primary focus.

[mtoosexy]

Originally Posted by hellrotm

US has Dinan that offers warranty. Stage 1 tunes starting at 516hp.

this is the route I would go.

[cptobvious]

Originally Posted by carl44

As i have stated several times, its just my initial impressions. Not meant to compete with a road test. There's a saying"no good deed goes unpunished"
carl

Carl, you have my full and unadulterated appreciation, and as I think you're seeing from many of the posts here, there are lots and lots of others who are very thankful for you having created this thread.

Seriously, you are one of the only people thus far who has owned the OG M2 and can talk intelligently about the M2C versus OG M2, from an owner's perspective.

Really don't quite appreciate why some folks feel the need to be snarky, other than the fact that somehow being on an anonymous internet forum encourages all of us to talk to others and behave in a way that we would never dream of doing were we sitting across one another face-to-face. Somehow, anonymity pushes us all towards incivility, apparently.

In any event, thank you for your insights.

[heavyD^2]

Originally Posted by chmura

I don’t even know why people are even reading this review. Come back with a review after 1200 run in service is performed.

You think the imaginary power unlocked at the 1200 mile service is going to somehow make a difference?

[chmura]

Originally Posted by heavyD^2

You think the imaginary power unlocked at the 1200 mile service is going to somehow make a difference?

No I don’t. But most people follow the breakin rules before the run in service is performed which according to the OP seems he is following.

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by yawn

You can. There's this thing called ASD coding

I am not such a fan of the fake...the F80 CS has a different part number for the muffler at least, either Tag or ChrisK looked it up if memory serves me correctly.

Point being, they KNOW how to make the S55 sound awesome now - so give us that option in the F87 as well.

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by heavyD^2

You think the imaginary power unlocked at the 1200 mile service is going to somehow make a difference?

Engines definitely take on an additional amount of character after getting some miles logged - especially in the exhaust department. Hard to compare a fully run-in car to one that's barely seen hot temps for the first time, at least IMO.

[DelGriffith]

Originally Posted by carl44

As i have stated several times, its just my initial impressions. Not meant to compete with a road test. There's a saying"no good deed goes unpunished"
carl

You go Carl! Keep deflecting the haters, and putting forth your early impressions.
140+ posts in 30 hours means people are interested....
I'm super appreciative, as I'm moving up to M2C in 6 weeks!

[carl44]

Originally Posted by cptobvious

Carl, you have my full and unadulterated appreciation, and as I think you're seeing from many of the posts here, there are lots and lots of others who are very thankful for you having created this thread.

Seriously, you are one of the only people thus far who has owned the OG M2 and can talk intelligently about the M2C versus OG M2, from an owner's perspective.

Really don't quite appreciate why some folks feel the need to be snarky, other than the fact that somehow being on an anonymous internet forum encourages all of us to talk to others and behave in a way that we would never dream of doing were we sitting across one another face-to-face. Somehow, anonymity pushes us all towards incivility, apparently.

In any event, thank you for your insights.

Thanks, much appreciated . Carl

[carl44]

Originally Posted by DelGriffith

You go Carl! Keep deflecting the haters, and putting forth your early impressions.
140+ posts in 30 hours means people are interested....
I'm super appreciative, as I'm moving up to M2C in 6 weeks!

Much appreciated! Carl

[Tag]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

I am not such a fan of the fake...the F80 CS has a different part number for the muffler at least, either Tag or ChrisK looked it up if memory serves me correctly.

Point being, they KNOW how to make the S55 sound awesome now - so give us that option in the F87 as well.

https://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...5#post23423045

[M3_WC]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

I have driven my dad's OG M2 many times - I have a pretty good idea of how it works, and it does many things almost perfectly. I am also currently in an F80 ZCP, which also does a lot of things well.

My take? The OG M2 is slightly underpowered. That's about my only complaint to be honest. Felt the same about my 981 CS.

The F80 is too big for my liking, and I wish it were more compact. The engine, however, is one of the absolute best parts of the car and is on another level (I also had a 235, so I am familiar with the N55 in various forms).

So, you take the very slight shortcomings of the OG M2 (needs more oomph in my opinion) and give that small car a different type of engine in the S55 and you're going to have one hell of a package. That's why people are so excited about the M2C - not because the OG M2 was necessarily deficient in any meaningful way, but the M2C should be significantly better. I expect it to be.

Can't wait to drive one and see for myself.

Agree with many of your points.

[F87_LCI]

Originally Posted by Lp01

Sorry but I think your review to be honest is a little bit superficial and generic in the end it is just an opinion that all people that have the OG M2 like to read to make themselves feel better because all serious reviews from serious journalists and drivers said the opposite that finnaly bmw has crafted the M2 and mitigated all the stuff that could somehow make it a not so wonderful car so I think we will see some many more reviews saying the opposite of what you are saying and now indulge yourself with all my punctuation

All the seriously biased reviews by the seriously biased reviewers I think is what you meant to say. It's well known that many of these "professional" car journalists are given incentives to elicit positive reviews and that poor/luke warm reviews often mean they aren't invited back to the next one...someone said it in this post already. As many have said, I'd much rather read the impressions from someone who has actually owned the OG and now has the new iteration.

Some of you act like the OP said "The M2C is garbage. Anyone who ordered one should step in front of a bus." Buddy said he likes the car!! It's just not the second coming is all he is trying to say. Everyone take a breath...it's going to be ok. Jesus.

[arquitecto]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

I have driven my dad's OG M2 many times - I have a pretty good idea of how it works, and it does many things almost perfectly. I am also currently in an F80 ZCP, which also does a lot of things well.

My take? The OG M2 is slightly underpowered. That's about my only complaint to be honest. Felt the same about my 981 CS.

The F80 is too big for my liking, and I wish it were more compact. The engine, however, is one of the absolute best parts of the car and is on another level (I also had a 235, so I am familiar with the N55 in various forms).

So, you take the very slight shortcomings of the OG M2 (needs more oomph in my opinion) and give that small car a different type of engine in the S55 and you're going to have one hell of a package. That's why people are so excited about the M2C - not because the OG M2 was necessarily deficient in any meaningful way, but the M2C should be significantly better. I expect it to be.

Can't wait to drive one and see for myself.

Absolutely agree with you. The M2 has a phenomenal chassis that I am sure will be more than capable of handling the bump in power from the S55, no question there. On paper it should be a win/win

It seems bmw really listened to a lot of the feedback but also took an “if it ain’t broke don’t fix it” kinda approach rather than rebuilding the M2 from scratch...

The early rumors of a completely reworked car, suspension/chassis/diff/etc, seem to have materialized as primarily an S55 engine swap shoehorned into the existing M2 “packaging” This is not a bad thing because as you mentioned the only real weakness of OG M2 was top end power and this will address those concerns without needing to risk changing the rest. I see it as evolutionary rather than revolutionary.

Ultimately we can’t really judge them because until we have driven both OG M2 and M2C we can only live vicariously through online reviews like Carl’s and MR’s as they know our cars inside and out and have a unique point of view they can lend on the pros and cons of each car.

[M3_WC]

Originally Posted by F87_LCI

Some of you act like the OP said "The M2C is garbage. Anyone who ordered one should step in front of a bus." Buddy said he likes the car!! It's just not the second coming is all he is trying to say. Everyone take a breath...it's going to be ok. Jesus.

In fact he said the opposite.

He likes the new one better.

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by Tag

https://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...5#post23423045

I knew it was one of you.

[carl44]

Originally Posted by M3_WC

In fact he said the opposite.

He likes the new one better.

Yes I do like it better mainly the engine and chassis reinforcement . My point is it's not night and day . It's the same car with a bigger motor ,brakes and some chassis reinforcements.

Down side is it is more front end heavy rear weigh is 48.1% vs 48.5 on the OG. Although I haven't gone over 6.5 rpm I have put 120 miles of quick canyon driving. Then did a back to back with my OG and my GT4 . The M2C really handles well for a 3500 lb sports coupe but my gut is on a short track it won't be much faster,if at all. I feel the OG is more nimble and has more snap. On a high Hp track ithere would be a bigger difference.

As I've said throughout this thread it's just my opinion/impression . Carl

[M3_WC]

Originally Posted by carl44

Yes I do like it better mainly the engine and chassis reinforcement . My point is it's not night and day . It's the same car with a bigger motor ,brakes and some chassis reinforcements.

Totally respectable opinion. In fact that reflects numerous reviews that praised the old car and that the M2C just raised the bar in certain areas.

Just hoping it doesn’t heatsoak like the OG. I’m sure it won’t, M3/M4 owners seem to beat on their cars in high temps no problem.