[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by JCZ5

Why would BMW remove the lane departure and collision / pedestrian safety feature?
Also, I'm confused with the previous post. It says there is no pass through in the rear seats and backseats don't fold down anymore? I thought people who were at the Belgium preview said it did fold down?

I believe it does fold down, just not in the 40/20/40 split.

[medphysdave]

I can't imagine the safety features being pulled. I'd be surprised if they could sell without them in the US.

Edit: nevermind - the U.S. mandates that new vehicles have the following safety tools as standard equipment: safety belts, a LATCH child safety seat system, electronic stability control, and front airbags.

[Poochie]

Originally Posted by medphysdave

I can't imagine the safety features being pulled. I'd be surprised if they could sell without them in the US.

Those features are not federally mandated, only stability control is, which is obviously standard.

In fact, you don't get those safety features if you don't opt for the Executive Package in the US.

What sucks is that confirms it probably won't have the camera next to rear-view mirror, so you can't code in "Anti-Dazzle" high-beams.

Another strike for the CS

[JCZ5]

Originally Posted by Poochie

Those features are not federally mandated, only stability control is, which is obviously standard.

In fact, you don't get those safety features if you don't opt for the Executive Package in the US.

What sucks is that confirms you probably won't have the camera next to rear-view mirror, so you can't code in "Anti-Dazzle" high-beams.

Another strike for the CS

You're right, the strikes are adding up. Half of me really hopes your prophecy of MY21 to add in additional feature comes true, now that will be the one to get haha

Honestly, as the day goes by I'm having a hard time waiting for the CS and have thought about getting the M2C right now.

[medphysdave]

I'm still the opposite. The more I think about it the more I want the CS. Adaptive suspension, Merino leather, and low production, are a large draws to me. I'll also put a lot of weight on the initial driving reviews. Dollar for dollar there isn't much of a premium over a C with same upgrades. Most are unnecessary in my opinion, but it's not a horrible buy in my view.

[Poochie]

Originally Posted by JCZ5

You're right, the strikes are adding up. Half of me really hopes your prophecy of MY21 to add in additional feature comes true, now that will be the one to get haha

Honestly, as the day goes by I'm having a hard time waiting for the CS and have thought about getting the M2C right now.

The CS better be a hell of a performer to make up for its shortcomings..

I'm a tech junky, that's why I'm drawn to BMW as a whole; an STI or Lancer Evolution X would of worked for me, if it wasn't about the creature comforts.

[medphysdave]

Originally Posted by Poochie

The CS better be a hell of a performer to make up for its shortcoming..

I'm a tech junky, that's why I'm drawn to BMW as a whole; an STI or Lancer Evolution V would of worked for me, if it wasn't about the creature comforts.

Ouch, the CS is going to fail on tech. At least from the perspective of creature comforts. I'm hoping that the adaptive suspension combined with the e-diff is going to provide a bit of tech magic and wow factor.

[Hegge]

Originally Posted by medphysdave

I'm still the opposite. The more I think about it the more I want the CS. Adaptive suspension, Merino leather, and low production, are a large draws to me. I'll also put a lot of weight on the initial driving reviews. Dollar for dollar there isn't much of a premium over a C with same upgrades. Most are unnecessary in my opinion, but it's not a horrible buy in my view.

I'm with Dave as I want the CS for the driving dynamics and low production. The low production can only help resale for the inevitable next car. Looking forward to the initial reviews probably in March.

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

I believe it does fold down, just not in the 40/20/40 split.

See here JCZ5:

Originally Posted by Artemis

I personally checked the M2 CS rear seats and folded those down. 60/40. Rear seats release handles inside the trunk. So that's the same as standard on the base M2 and M2 Competition.
But you cannot spec the 40/20/40 with armrest/cupholders and load-through on the M2 CS (option 465 on the base M2 and M2C).

[Karmic Man]

Originally Posted by Poochie

The next generation M2 (G) is going to have a variation of the B58, not because BMW hates us but to keep the cost keep it within realm of being attainable to their target demographic.

The X3M base with a S58 starts at $70,000, there is no way the G87 is going to have a S58 and still hover around 60k.

BMW didn't have any predilections when they put the N55 in the original M2, even though it wasn't an "S" engine, so a high-output B58 will more than likely follow suit.

Not that there is anything wrong with that motor; the B58TU is a monster in the M340i, I mean like really fast.

If you want an "S" engine, you're going to have to step your game up and shoot for a G82 M4.

Have to disagree on that since the M8 uses the same 4.4-liter V-8 as the M5 and M6 and is much more expensive than either.

Same with the M4 GTS which has the same engine as the OG M3/M4 albeit running a higher tune married with water injection technology.

BMW didn't put M mirrors and M seats on the OG M2 but they were included in the Competition because they 'listen to their customers'.

I am quite confident that the S58 will be the choice of engine for the G87 M2 though running a lower performance tune. The Competition will come with more aggressive tuning and the CS even further up.

[akkando]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

Why would that matter? The G87 M2 need only be a better performer than the F87 M2. The G87 Comp will need to outperform the F87 Comp..

It matters if they want my money. I speculate if they want other people's money too.

But okay, forget the base model. How is the competition model g87 b58 going to be rated at more hp and torque than the detuned s58 in the f87 m2c?

They may want to use the b58 in the g87, but it might not fit the pattern of better than the last. If they're going to develop the b58 for the base model and the s58 for competition and cs/csl they might as well go s58 all the way.

They could sell the b58 if it was coming with the new M xdrive and diff to match, but it doesn't.

[CSBM5]

Originally Posted by Poochie

Keep in mind, only aftermarket retrofit options are available, none "factory" and you absolutely have to leave one of the key fobs buried inside the vehicle.

You can retrofit factory parts and do the coding; it's a pain, but it can be done:
https://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1211167

[Davil]

Originally Posted by Karmic Man

I am quite confident that the S58 will be the choice of engine for the G87 M2 though running a lower performance tune. The Competition will come with more aggressive tuning and the CS even further up.

I'm with the Pooch on this one B58 is a great engine and has some headroom. I'd be very surprised if the next M2 debuted with S58. It will be a great car with B58 and will also allow the usual progression to unfold. Except this time I expect the S motor won't be rushed out at a bargain price. After all that. Well we are into Westworld.

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by akkando

It matters if they want my money. I speculate if they want other people's money too.

But okay, forget the base model. How is the competition model g87 b58 going to be rated at more hp and torque than the detuned s58 in the f87 m2c?

They may want to use the b58 in the g87, but it might not fit the pattern of better than the last. If they're going to develop the b58 for the base model and the s58 for competition and cs/csl they might as well go s58 all the way.

They could sell the b58 if it was coming with the new M xdrive and diff to match, but it doesn't.

I certainly understand your perspective. I hope the base car comes with the S58, but it seems more likely to me that they push the B58 as far as it can go in the next generation M2 first. That will be the choice, in my opinion, in an effort to keep costs lower AND to keep a healthy differentiation between the MT/RWD M3 and M4 models as well. I’m guessing we see a beefed up B58 (like with the N54 in the 1M and N55 in the OG M2) for the base at least, maybe just below 400 BHP.

Don’t forget that we will be in uncharted territory with the G series M2. Will it debut with a base and a Comp? Or will the Comp come later, or not at all? Will we get a CS and CSL? Or some of those models but not all of them? What they plan to do with the lineup will have a big impact on whether or not we see the S58 across the entire range, whatever that ends up being, at least in my opinion.

[DDS2015]

All this talk about the next M2 has me thinking, have we even seen spy shots of the next 2-series yet?

I remember seeing F8X spy shots like 2 years before the E92 went out of production.

[medphysdave]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

I certainly understand your perspective. I hope the base car comes with the S58, but it seems more likely to me that they push the B58 as far as it can go in the next generation M2 first. That will be the choice, in my opinion, in an effort to keep costs lower AND to keep a healthy differentiation between the MT/RWD M3 and M4 models as well. I’m guessing we see a beefed up B58 (like with the N54 in the 1M and N55 in the OG M2) for the base at least, maybe just below 400 BHP.

Don’t forget that we will be in uncharted territory with the G series M2. Will it debut with a base and a Comp? Or will the Comp come later, or not at all? Will we get a CS and CSL? Or some of those models but not all of them? What they plan to do with the lineup will have a big impact on whether or not we see the S58 across the entire range, whatever that ends up being, at least in my opinion.

I believe BMW was pretty clear on their roadmap for the future with base, comp, CS, and CSL. While I disagree with this philosophy since M is supposed to be the Pinnacle of performance within a series. It's really no different than what Porsche is doing. It allows for a broad range of financial ability to participate in their lineup. Is all about capturing sales.

As we've seen with the CS carbon fiber doesn't make a CSL. It has to begin with the initial architecture so that there is a clear plan initially on how to remove weight. Manufacturers can no longer skimp on safety to reduce weight. So we will likely see CSL models in the next generation of 2/3/4 series.

[Hegge]

Originally Posted by DDS2015

All this talk about the next M2 has me thinking, have we even seen spy shots of the next 2-series yet?

I remember seeing F8X spy shots like 2 years before the E92 went out of production.

No next M2 does not go into production until December 2022 and won't be out until early 2023, not sure why people are worrying about it now.

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by medphysdave

I believe BMW was pretty clear on their roadmap for the future with base, comp, CS, and CSL. While I disagree with this philosophy since M is supposed to be the Pinnacle of performance within a series. It's really no different than what Porsche is doing. It allows for a broad range of financial ability to participate in their lineup. Is all about capturing sales.

Sure, they’ve been clear on how the lineup will be arranged, but have we seen that entire lineup come to fruition in any series yet?

I would hazard a guess that we will see all 4 variants in the M3/4 before we see that level of options in the M2 range.

[Hegge]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

Sure, they’ve been clear on how the lineup will be arranged, but have we seen that entire lineup come to fruition in any series yet?

I would hazard a guess that we will see all 4 variants in the M3/4 before we see that level of options in the M2 range.

Agreed with this. CSL will come to G Series M4 before G Series M2. It may be 2025 or so before G Series M2 comes out since G Series M2 base won't be here until 2023.

[AlpsRider]

Originally Posted by Hegge

No next M2 does not go into production until December 2022 and won't be out until early 2023, not sure why people are worrying about it now.

Exactly, the debut of the next gen M2 is years away. A lot of water will go under the bridge before its release both at BMW and other manufacturers. I think the next M2 will be bigger, heavier and need more power that the OG M2 to accomplish the same performance.

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by JCZ5

Overall, seems a little compromised on all the good stuff in terms of comfort. Really disappointed with this and really making me rethink the M2C...why can't we have all the Comp features plus the CS?! (Don't give me the weight saving argument, as we all know it's not an outright track car)

Also shelved on the M2 CS: driver's knee pad

base M2: plastic center console featuring knee pad with polar blue stitching:


M2C: plastic center console featuring knee pad without stitching:


M2 CS: CF center console without knee pad:

[RPM33]

Originally Posted by Artemis

M2 CS: CF center console without knee pad:

I still have an OG M2. Can someone explain what those five buttons do in the M2 CS console (last photo at the bottom)?