[ASAP]

Originally Posted by williewonkerz

Exactly!, see this, all of this is missing:

[IMG]http://www.canadianautoreview.ca/ima...ar-shifter.JPG[/IMG]

First thing that came to my mind. The M2 looks like a dct shifter w everything from the M235i.

[kevinlevrone]

Originally Posted by W///

Agreed. But I think in the 40s is a little unrealistic IMO. Now something like 52k MSRP would make sense to me. That's still a good $10k cheaper than an M3 (again MSRP).

If the difference between M2 and M3 will be 10k many people would have a hard time justifying its purchase over the M3. For 10k you get a lot more car and power in the M3. I would say the difference must be at least 15k.

[Lt1camaro]

Originally Posted by kevinlevrone

If the difference between M2 and M3 will be 10k many people would have a hard time justifying its purchase over the M3. For 10k you get a lot more car and power in the M3. I would say the difference must be at least 15k.

Yeah I agree, there is no way this car should be priced higher than the CLA45 and RS3 variants.

[W///]

Originally Posted by kevinlevrone

If the difference between M2 and M3 will be 10k many people would have a hard time justifying its purchase over the M3. For 10k you get a lot more car and power in the M3. I would say the difference must be at least 15k.

Depends. Sometimes "more", is not what I'm looking for. The current M3/4 are more like what the M5/6 used to be. There are other people like myself that are looking for a much smaller car, rather than all out power. Plus I think I'd rather get an Imola Red E39 M5 over an F80 if I wanted a nice sedan (but that's another story completely)

$15k just isn't going to happen. That would mean the M2 would be at $47k, which would only be $3000 more than the M235i. I just don't see that happening. Might be somewhere in the middle like $12k. This will definitely affect my decision at the end.

[W///]

Originally Posted by Lt1camaro

Yeah I agree, there is no way this car should be priced higher than the CLA45 and RS3 variants.

Considering the M235i and the CLA45 match almost perfectly, and the Benz starts at $48.5, I can definitely see the M2 going past $50k. I'm sure the RS3 will be around there too.

I checked the prices in Europe in relation to the Benz in Europe a while ago, and it was a bit more if I'm not mistaken.

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by dd1981

So basically Premium Package seats with blue accent. NO M3/4 recaros? Well This car needs to be $48-$49k max starting price. Otherwise.....Ill look elswhere.

It's going to be more than that - it will be an M3 from the belt line down, underneath - you aren't going to get that for 4-5K above a 235.

Having lived with the 235 for 16 months, I can tell you know that those changes are going to be worth their respective weight in gold.

BMW is definitely following the 1M approach, albeit with more R&D on the suspension, brakes, and things of that nature. I had guessed a while back that interior options (like the exterior and interior color options that are already confirmed) will also be limited. You will be able to get things like DCT, Navi, heated seats, HK radio and that's probably it.

If you want more options than that, you will need to either "settle" for the 235 or move up to the M3/4.

[Amgeater2]

All I see is people thrashing the car already...

So let me get this straight, you guys want an M2 with:

///M Seats
///M Setting (adaptive, steering, and Throttle)
DCT and DCT settings
Merino Leather
Extended leather...
Carbon Roof

why will BMW build this ???

and have the BALLS to make comments like the one below:

Make it an affordable ///M for those who want is good. But come on BMW, let the others (those who just do not like the M4...)

[Falafel Combo]

Didn't the X5M and X6M have "DCT looking" shifters but a regular auto transmission? Not sure this is definitive.

[Swiss Chris]

Originally Posted by Amgeater2

All I see is people thrashing the car already...

So let me get this straight, you guys want an M2 with:

///M Seats
///M Setting (adaptive, steering, and Throttle)
DCT and DCT settings
Merino Leather
Extended leather...
Carbon Roof

why will BMW build this ???

and have the BALLS to make comments like the one below:

Make it an affordable ///M for those who want is good. But come on BMW, let the others (those who just do not like the M4...)

And where is the problem ?

I don't like the M4.

What I want is a smaller car, more agile and fun to drive. Oh and an engine which makes a better noise than my mower.

Does that mean that I have to go for a low cost BMW ? No matter for me if "my" M2 is about the same price than an M4.

If possible, I would go for a full individual M2, including CCB etc and I'm sure I'm not the only one. Why would all this stuff not be available ?

All this is already "developped" for bigger ///M cars. It costs just nothing for BMW to propose this for the M2. The just add marges.

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by kevinlevrone

If the difference between M2 and M3 will be 10k many people would have a hard time justifying its purchase over the M3. For 10k you get a lot more car and power in the M3. I would say the difference must be at least 15k.

Truthfully, I think that's the point. The M2 will sell in lower numbers on purpose - partly because BMW will make fewer of them, and partly because the overall lack of options will "push" people into an M3/4.

That's not by accident. We know from the 1M experiment that many folks who weren't lucky or fastidious enough in their respective searching for an open allocation ended up in an E9X M3.

BMW is likely hoping for the same kind of result here - sell out of the M2 (no repeat of the Z4MC overproduction and 10K discounts) and have additional folks moving into the higher end M cars.

It's a win/win for them...

[Falafel Combo]

Originally Posted by Swiss Chris

And where is the problem ?

I don't like the M4.

What I want is a smaller car, more agile and fun to drive. Oh and an engine which makes a better noise than my mower.

Does that mean that I have to go for a low cost BMW ? No matter for me if "my" M2 is about the same price than an M4.

If possible, I would go for a full individual M2, including CCB etc and I'm sure I'm not the only one. Why would all this stuff not be available ?

All this is already "developped" for bigger ///M cars. It costs just nothing for BMW to propose this for the M2. The just add marges.

So you want to have your cake ... And eat it too? Me thinks not. Either pony up and buy an M4 or settle for the cheaper smaller variant.

I wish I could have a convertible SUV. If only automakers would listen!!! Oh well ... Their loss!

[ASAP]

Originally Posted by Falafel Combo

So you want to have your cake ... And eat it too? Me thinks not. Either pony up and buy an M4 or settle for the cheaper smaller variant.

I wish I could have a convertible SUV. If only automakers would listen!!! Oh well ... Their loss!

You can... Nissan Murano Cross Cabriolet

[aajami]

Originally Posted by Falafel Combo

So you want to have your cake ... And eat it too? Me thinks not. Either pony up and buy an M4 or settle for the cheaper smaller variant.

I wish I could have a convertible SUV. If only automakers would listen!!! Oh well ... Their loss!

Did you buy one of these yet?

[W///]

Originally Posted by Swiss Chris

And where is the problem ?

I don't like the M4.

What I want is a smaller car, more agile and fun to drive. Oh and an engine which makes a better noise than my mower.

Does that mean that I have to go for a low cost BMW ? No matter for me if "my" M2 is about the same price than an M4.

If possible, I would go for a full individual M2, including CCB etc and I'm sure I'm not the only one. Why would all this stuff not be available ?

All this is already "developped" for bigger ///M cars. It costs just nothing for BMW to propose this for the M2. The just add marges.

And I want an E30 M3 made by Singer, but that's not going to happen is it?

You are in the minority, that is willing to drop that kind of money on a car that's supposed to be a "starter" M. $9000 for CCB, $5000 for Individual, $3600 for extended leather. $17000 on those options alone.

I'm saying this because I happen to be in the car industry: It's nowhere as easy as you think to do those things. You can't just add extended leather (or HUD as a matter of fact) on a car that does not have it standard. You can't just add whatever paint you want in a factory that isn't equipped to do Individual.

My point is, just because it's developed for the bigger M cars doesn't mean you can just drop it into the M2.

Heck if your budget is so infinite, you can more or less do all those mods yourself. Not saying it'll be cheap, but look at what iND did with that blue M235i.

[W///]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

Truthfully, I think that's the point. The M2 will sell in lower numbers on purpose - partly because BMW will make fewer of them, and partly because the overall lack of options will "push" people into an M3/4.

That's not by accident. We know from the 1M experiment that many folks who weren't lucky or fastidious enough in their respective searching for an open allocation ended up in an E9X M3.

BMW is likely hoping for the same kind of result here - sell out of the M2 (no repeat of the Z4MC overproduction and 10K discounts) and have additional folks moving into the higher end M cars.

It's a win/win for them...

Perfectly said. There will be plenty of people that will jump ship and get an M3/4 (or a Cayman S ). But then there are those of us who know EXACTLY what we want from the M2 aka a second chance to getting a 1M.

[swagon]

Originally Posted by W///

And I want an E30 M3 made by Singer, but that's not going to happen is it?

You are in the minority, that is willing to drop that kind of money on a car that's supposed to be a "starter" M. $9000 for CCB, $5000 for Individual, $3600 for extended leather. $17000 on those options alone.

I'm saying this because I happen to be in the car industry: It's nowhere as easy as you think to do those things. You can't just add extended leather (or HUD as a matter of fact) on a car that does not have it standard. You can't just add whatever paint you want in a factory that isn't equipped to do Individual.

My point is, just because it's developed for the bigger M cars doesn't mean you can just drop it into the M2.

Heck if your budget is so infinite, you can more or less do all those mods yourself. Not saying it'll be cheap, but look at what iND did with that blue M235i.

+1000

[Jeff_DML]

Originally Posted by Falafel Combo

Didn't the X5M and X6M have "DCT looking" shifters but a regular auto transmission? Not sure this is definitive.

yep.

Let see, if M2 ends up using a tuned 340 engine. This engine is is already paired with the 8AT in the 340. Sound like a good chance to me of the 8AT not DCT for M2. Also the m235 race version is running the 8AT, ///M marketing can leverage that too.

Edit: whoops I see it was already discussed

Originally Posted by Lt1camaro

Haha I'm calling a ZF8 speed from the X5/X6 M on this car.

[LouisFCO]

I'm probably in the minority, but the simpler the better on my end. Give me manual sport seats, in cloth. Give me one setting for all the DCT functions and I'm golden. One auto mode, one manual mode. If I really need to shift more aggressively, I'll do so solo, in manual mode. I'll concede a learning SPORT option on the trans, ala the standard Sport Auto. But on an M car, something following in the steps of the 1M...do you people really need all this luxury on a psuedo track car?

[Amgeater2]

Originally Posted by Swiss Chris

And where is the problem ?

I don't like the M4.

What I want is a smaller car, more agile and fun to drive. Oh and an engine which makes a better noise than my mower.

Does that mean that I have to go for a low cost BMW ? No matter for me if "my" M2 is about the same price than an M4.

If possible, I would go for a full individual M2, including CCB etc and I'm sure I'm not the only one. Why would all this stuff not be available ?

All this is already "developped" for bigger ///M cars. It costs just nothing for BMW to propose this for the M2. The just add marges.

Brother you dont even KNOW what you want...

YOU first wrote MAKE an affordable M2...... NOW you want CCB, Individual package, those two alone are 14K ??

and I do respect your opinion as a fellow member but dont thrash the M4/M3 as it will always be a superior car...

[SGL]

Originally Posted by W///

And I want an E30 M3 made by Singer, but that's not going to happen is it?

You may not be able to get an E30 M3 from Singer, but you could get the Redux E30 M3 Leichtbau
http://reduxleichtbau.com

[Amgeater2]

Originally Posted by Falafel Combo

So you want to have your cake ... And eat it too? Me thinks not. Either pony up and buy an M4 or settle for the cheaper smaller variant.

I wish I could have a convertible SUV. If only automakers would listen!!! Oh well ... Their loss!

YOU HIT IT ON THE HEAD Falafel

Either pony up and buy an M4/M3 or settle for the cheaper smaller variant.

[W///]

Originally Posted by ScottGregory

You may not be able to get an E30 M3 from Singer, but you could get the Redux E30 M3 Leichtbau
http://reduxleichtbau.com

Holy hell, there is a god
A Singer'red out E30 M3, with a stroked 2.5L turbocharged S14? Reading that article was like reading automotive pornography.

All the best to those guys, that's going to be one cool car when they build one.