[Artemis]

Originally Posted by Gatte

The Exhaust placement on the mules seem to suggest that it might be a turbo after all.
It would be one hell of a car if they can fit a detuned 4.0 from the GT3 and price it around the 90K mark which is where one would expect it to be priced. That is also probably where the CSL/GTS would be priced making it a very tough buying decision when the time comes.

Before going back on topic.

Remember the February 2017 Instagram post that only very briefly surfaced before being taken down. It gave rise to a believers / non-believers controversy. Maybe a detuned 4.0 GT3 engine for a future GT4 RS, instead of for the 2018 GT4 (3.8) ?



Unlike the GT4 test mule itself, both prominently visible exhaust tips don't see particularly dirty (soot). Therefore, interested to see a better close-up of the middle part of the camo diffuser where the Cayman exhaust tips are usually located. Exhaust holes without tips or just nothing deep down there ? Let's not take things for granted. With an exhaust position trick Porsche may fool the world to believe that it's gonna be turbo this time, while in reality it'll be NA.

At Rennlist someone thinks likewise: see here ("Am I the only one who can see center tips tucked in under the diffuser or am I seeing things? I could have sworn there were center pipes on this car but they are short and hidden under the diffuser and black. The pictures, especially the one straight on at the back looks like there are 2 round objects where the center pipes should be."). Maybe someone over here who's also on Rennlist could post the picture below in that Rennlist thread ?



Let's swap colors to try to have a different look: fake (not particularly dirty) exhaust tips to distract attention about real exhaust holes (without exhaust tips yet) in the middle or just an optical illusion ?

[bogeyman]

There’s a GT4 with cage doing testing which would indicate a possible RS. A CSL will have its work cut out.

Originally Posted by Artemis

Maybe a detuned 4.0 GT3 engine for a future GT4 RS, instead of for the 2018 GT4 (3.8) ?

[Gatte]

Originally Posted by Artemis

Before going back on topic.

Remember the February 2017 Instagram post that only very briefly surfaced before being taken down. It gave rise to a believers / non-believers controversy. Maybe a detuned 4.0 GT3 engine for a future GT4 RS, instead of for the 2018 GT4 (3.8) ?

Attachment 1726352

Unlike the GT4 test mule itself, both prominently visible exhaust tips don't see particularly dirty (soot). Therefore, interested to see a better close-up of the middle part of the camo diffuser where the Cayman exhaust tips are usually located. Exhaust holes without tips or just nothing deep down there ? Let's not take things for granted. With an exhaust position trick Porsche may fool the world to believe that it's gonna be turbo this time, while in reality it'll be NA.

At Rennlist someone thinks likewise: see here ("Am I the only one who can see center tips tucked in under the diffuser or am I seeing things? I could have sworn there were center pipes on this car but they are short and hidden under the diffuser and black. The pictures, especially the one straight on at the back looks like there are 2 round objects where the center pipes should be."). Maybe someone over here who's also on Rennlist could post the picture below in that Rennlist thread ?

Attachment 1726356

Let's swap colors to try to have a different look: fake (not particularly dirty) exhaust tips to distract attention about real exhaust holes (without exhaust tips yet) in the middle or just an optical illusion ?

Attachment 1726358

I saw that comment as well and zoomed into that picture and saw those exact 2 holes. The Spyder which was also photographed does not look the same. I would be pleasantly surprised if the GT4 does come with a de-tuned 4.0. If that is around the 90K mark, it would be one hell of a deal.

There are a large of theories floating on that forum which state that it could be a test mule to just test the aero and might not have the final engine in it. Whatever it is, I think we will know soon when a video comes out.

ynguldyn did tell that the M2 CSL is a real thing but it does not seem like there's a test car that's being built currently. I would really really be disappointed if BMW did not make an M2 iteration that would fully utilize the potential.

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by Artemis

Before going back on topic.

Remember the February 2017 Instagram post that only very briefly surfaced before being taken down. It gave rise to a believers / non-believers controversy. Maybe a detuned 4.0 GT3 engine for a future GT4 RS, instead of for the 2018 GT4 (3.8) ?

Attachment 1726352

Unlike the GT4 test mule itself, both prominently visible exhaust tips don't see particularly dirty (soot). Therefore, interested to see a better close-up of the middle part of the camo diffuser where the Cayman exhaust tips are usually located. Exhaust holes without tips or just nothing deep down there ? Let's not take things for granted. With an exhaust position trick Porsche may fool the world to believe that it's gonna be turbo this time, while in reality it'll be NA.

At Rennlist someone thinks likewise: see here ("Am I the only one who can see center tips tucked in under the diffuser or am I seeing things? I could have sworn there were center pipes on this car but they are short and hidden under the diffuser and black. The pictures, especially the one straight on at the back looks like there are 2 round objects where the center pipes should be."). Maybe someone over here who's also on Rennlist could post the picture below in that Rennlist thread ?

Attachment 1726356

Let's swap colors to try to have a different look: fake (not particularly dirty) exhaust tips to distract attention about real exhaust holes (without exhaust tips yet) in the middle or just an optical illusion ?

Attachment 1726358

Porsche has got Camo game too ...

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

Porsche has got Camo game too ...

Though someone should tell the folks at Porsche that simply using a bit of black spray or a black sharpie can simulate soot inside fake exhaust tips on test mules.

[DelGriffith]

Originally Posted by Artemis

Though someone should tell the folks at Porsche that simply using a bit of black spray or a black sharpie can simulate soot inside fake exhaust tips on test mules.

PORSCHE/BMW M2 CS and M2 GTS/CSL: Production / order dates, engine specs, and more info

WTF?
Where has this thread gone...

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by DelGriffith

PORSCHE/BMW M2 CS and M2 GTS/CSL: Production / order dates, engine specs, and more info
WTF?
Where has this thread gone...

From M2 Competition to the competition.

M2 variant Cucumber Time stories ?

[ryem3]

Originally Posted by Gatte

I would be pleasantly surprised if the GT4 does come with a de-tuned 4.0. If that is around the 90K mark, it would be one hell of a deal.

Haha! If it had a sticker at that level they would get $50k of ADM at dealers! Car would be so cool, it's hard to imagine where it would fit in the lineup.

Originally Posted by DelGriffith

PORSCHE/BMW M2 CS and M2 GTS/CSL: Production / order dates, engine specs, and more info

WTF?
Where has this thread gone...

Because there never is any f'n news. This is the thread for idle banter. Won't be any news for months.

[ACZakka325i]

Originally Posted by DelGriffith

PORSCHE/BMW M2 CS and M2 GTS/CSL: Production / order dates, engine specs, and more info

WTF?
Where has this thread gone...

The farther BMW goes down the automatic- transmission non-performance road, the more we cling to the beliefs that we are not crazy hoping for true performance cars. Hence the constant comparison to what Porsche is doing right now.

Meanwhile, the new M5, m3/4 CS, next 340i, etc etc drop with Auto-only vacuum cleaner engines. Not even a DCT.

The M2 sub-forum is, truly, our last hope for this brand.

[hellrotm]

Originally Posted by ACZakka325i

The farther BMW goes down the automatic- transmission non-performance road, the more we cling to the beliefs that we are not crazy hoping for true performance cars. Hence the constant comparison to what Porsche is doing right now.

Meanwhile, the new M5, m3/4 CS, next 340i, etc etc drop with Auto-only vacuum cleaner engines. Not even a DCT.

The M2 sub-forum is, truly, our last hope for this brand.

M3/M4 CS are DCT.

[V-Eight]

agree.

I think that the only M car that will worth the money will be a good, old school manual M2 Comp. Even if....this Porsche will double it's value in less than five years......
If someone has the money to bring one....I think that he/she will make the deal at 100%.

[ACZakka325i]

Originally Posted by BlackJetE90

M3/M4 CS are DCT.

Sorry. 2 our of those 3.

[ryem3]

See, even "new" news doesn't have any new info.
http://www.autobild.de/artikel/bmw-m...u-8708601.html

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by ryem3

See, even "new" news doesn't have any new info.
http://www.autobild.de/artikel/bmw-m...u-8708601.html

BMWBlog - September 2017 (see here):
"BMW M2 CS: Silver Hockenheim special color, limited to 1000 units. [...]
Rumors also say that the M2 CS will be quite limited – one thousand units for the whole world, with a numbered plaque that grants the status of exclusive unit. Ordering starts in January 2018 , followed by first deliveries in May. Only selected BMW M dealers will have a unit in their showrooms, as it is a model on demand."

BMWBlog - November 2017 (see here):
"While the M2 Competition won't be artificially limited, the number of units produced will be based on the production capacity and demand. Delivery times will vary from market to market, so it won’t be unusual to see some customers taking delivery in late 2018."

Auto BILD - November 2017 (see here):
"Auto BILD has the first info !"
("AUTO BILD hat die ersten Infos!")
"According to rumors the extra fast M2 will be limited to only 1000 cars. Another possible rumor is that there will be no preset production limitation, but a limitation in time."
("Gerüchten zufolge soll der extraschnelle M2 auf nur 1000 Stück limitiert sein. Eine andere mögliche Variante ist, dass es keine vorgegebene Stückzahlbegrenzung, wohl aber eine zeitliche Limitierung gibt.")

Two reposts, FWIW:

April 2017:

Originally Posted by Artemis

APRIL 2017: some interesting info surfaced in the M2 section of the German forum '2erTalk' (sources: here, here and here):

• January 2018: M2 CS ordering process starts
• March 2018: M2 CS goes into production | S55 engine | 410 hp | no limited edition
• March 2019: M2 GTS (or M2 CSL?) goes into production | S55 engine | 450 hp | limited edition/production (the '999' figure has been heard, but could change)

October 2017:

Originally Posted by Artemis

BMW M did not officially say anything yet about M2 variants.
But we can always express what we personally think about the likelihood of the claim that the "M2 Competition" will be limited to 1,000 cars (claim: see here, here and recently also here).
I said it before and I'll say it again (see here and here): IMHO the M2 Competition will be no limited edition, but only limited by production capacity (alike the M4 CS). Why ? Because that would only be common sense, also from a marketing/sales perspective: if the "M2 Competition" price is kept competitive, the car will be a sales hit. And for sure the Leipzig factory has the production capacity to make more than just 1,000 M2 variants (especially if the M2 N55 is retired in June 2018, passing the floor to the M2 S55 variant). The "M2 CSL" rumored for 2019, could be a different story (likely a limited edition).

And to confirm what I said about the M4 CS, here's the exact quote from BMW M boss Frank Van Meel: "The M4 CS is not a limited series, just limited by production capacity. When we started the project we knew that it was going to be sold out anyway." (source: here).

[stren]

Originally Posted by ACZakka325i

The farther BMW goes down the automatic- transmission non-performance road, the more we cling to the beliefs that we are not crazy hoping for true performance cars. Hence the constant comparison to what Porsche is doing right now.

Meanwhile, the new M5, m3/4 CS, next 340i, etc etc drop with Auto-only vacuum cleaner engines. Not even a DCT.

The M2 sub-forum is, truly, our last hope for this brand.

+1, but surely this will be the last generation of rwd 6mt even for m2. Next gen M2 would have to be awd at best as it's a fwd platform? Conceivably the next gen m3/4 might still have 6mt, but it wouldn't be surprising if it went the same way as the M5.

[akkando]

Originally Posted by stren

+1, but surely this will be the last generation of rwd 6mt even for m2. Next gen M2 would have to be awd at best as it's a fwd platform? Conceivably the next gen m3/4 might still have 6mt, but it wouldn't be surprising if it went the same way as the M5.

I'm not so sure that next gen m4 and m3 will be awd, and even if they are next gen m2 might still be rwd. Manual on offer for sure, but maybe not a no cost option.

[Franzino]

Originally Posted by ryem3

Now rumored not "just" with a flat 6, but with the flat six from the gt3, which would mean a huge redline approaching 9k. Where do they price such a car? Can't be gt3 money, but if they price it like a gt4, they'll sell them fast as they can make them.

And in the meantime I look forward to seeing the prices of a used 3.8L GT4 drop

That new GT4/RS is coming for sure....Geneva it is...! When I'm informed correct they wil launch a GT4 RS first (with detuned 4.0 engine) and then after the summer the normal GT4 will come (engine is still a question). Yes; sounds strange and is the other way around, but that is what some Porsche sources told me.

[lax01]

Seeing the BMW M3 CS World Premiere in LA on Wednesday: https://laautoshow.com/vehicle/bmw-m3-cs/

There is one other "uncovered" premiere...would be cool if it was the M2 CSL but I doubt it...

[akkando]

Originally Posted by lax01

Seeing the BMW M3 CS World Premiere in LA on Wednesday: https://laautoshow.com/vehicle/bmw-m3-cs/

There is one other "uncovered" premiere...would be cool if it was the M2 CSL but I doubt it...

They have not even announced the Competition base mode yet.

[ryem3]

Originally Posted by Franzino

And in the meantime I look forward to seeing the prices of a used 3.8L GT4 drop

That new GT4/RS is coming for sure....Geneva it is...! When I'm informed correct they wil launch a GT4 RS first (with detuned 4.0 engine) and then after the summer the normal GT4 will come (engine is still a question). Yes; sounds strange and is the other way around, but that is what some Porsche sources told me.

They look soft already. Nice ones look available for under $100k. Although it's questionable if that is really a good value.
Similarly m4 gts cars are very soft. Cars are listed from $150k all the way down to $99k. And almost every car has less than 1k miles, so condition is basically not a factor. I think a car with a cage is a tough sell for many. Checking these out is making me reconsider whether or not the full on m2 csl will really make sense.
Sportauto recently raved about the m4 cs. Likened it to a gt3 touring. Much better than the competition package, yet much more streetable than the gts. Tested hp was 488 rather than the listed 460!

[Chako]

Originally Posted by ryem3

See, even "new" news doesn't have any new info.
http://www.autobild.de/artikel/bmw-m...u-8708601.html

I suspect BMW will want to release news as late as possible, partially because the M2 Competition reveal will likely cannibalize sales/depreciate the current M2, especially if it replaces the N55 M2.

It also gives the spotlight to the M3 CS and M5 for now.

[David1]

I do not believe the new M2 model will have much effect on resale. It will be substantially more money making the current version more affordable to more people looking for the less expensive version. Someone looking for a comp car M2 wont be looking for the base car. Plus the crank hubs don't spin on the N55