[Mavus]

Originally Posted by exmowner

Anyone else think the n55 is overplayed?

I don't believe BMW will install N55. This is rather a marketing trick to keep competition at bay. There is no way N55 will be in M2 in 2016 when new B series engines are coming out.

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by m981addicts

M2 GC would be my first choice if offered. I'd like to enjoy the 135is for three more years so I have time for its development.

I agree. I would like an M2 GC.

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Originally Posted by Prowess Symphony

An M car without an M engine? Everyone at M Division needs to be fired and all the M cars redesigned.

Pretty amazing that the most sought after BMW in the last decade doesn't have an " m" engine.



What does THAT say?

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Originally Posted by RoboM

V8 please!!!

Wow. Somebody is still having wet dreams......

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Originally Posted by Smooth 330i

I don't believe BMW will install N55. This is rather a marketing trick to keep competition at bay. There is no way N55 will be in M2 in 2016 when new B series engines are coming out.

I would like to think that this is a gimmick/disguise/not tipping their hat. but either way, an older motor combo did work in the 1m.

However I agree it seems the n55 will be really long in the tooth at that point.

I am still holding out hope that BMW makes an 4 cyl S48 that is similar in design to the S55.

We already know the main competitor in the Cayman will also be a 4 cyl turbo.

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Originally Posted by dd1981

Will it still be a fantastic M car. Absofuckinglutly!

Again to save weight, money, they can do all the things people are asking. Not to mention cc brakes will be optional.

Yeah I do want the "clunker" trans this time around. To agree with your comment on the take rate of the M-DCT of 75%, it may even be higher than that. M/T won't be around for much longer and it is what it is.
I honestly don't need anyone's reason of opting for a DCT to justify their purchase, especially pulling out the old F1 cars use it argument. Lewis Hamilton or whoever is behind the wheel, their job is to get that car the fastest possible way around that track shaving off milliseconds and yes the DCT's are waaaaay faster for it. That's his job he's not out having coffee and donuts! He gets paid millions of damn dollars for it.

Now will you ever track your car? Probably not, will I? Probably not. I really don't give a darn if you can beat me to 60. I don't care that your car is .3 tents faster in the 1/4.
I want to row my own damn shaft through those gates. That's the fun factor for me. 99.9 % of my driving is street. And I've had and driven autos and DCT's, and they're fucking boring.
So the drug is still available to give the high, when it's not ill adapt as everyone will with it.

I ask you this one thing. How many 1M's ended up sitting on the lots because they were M/T? Not a single one.

Sure the volume was low, I don't know the exact global figure say 4500 units. 750 in the States. I'd say the M2 volume will be roughly double that, perhaps even 10,000. 35-40% manual, they'll all be sold...

So when will this end? When they stop making the "clunker".

HYFR!! (Hell yeah fuckin right!!! )

BMW will keep me as a customer if they keep making manuals. If they make the M2 DCT only... I wouldnt be interested at all and will keep my "FAKE" M Car.

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by SlowSaloonM3

um in the states the m235i replaces the 135i so it should still be there.

I get what you're saying - I'm just not sure keeping the M235 with a full bore M2 also in the cards makes sense...

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by GOLFFRR

Better get on a list ASAP IMO.

No need - plenty of time to get one because there's no limited production.

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by exmowner

Anyone else think the n55 is overplayed?

Absolutely. It wasn't a coincidence that the 1M used the N54. It's the stronger engine - and yes, I have had both.

[aajami]

Originally Posted by Manbnda

I'm kind of dissapointed, it is still looking like a cute baby BMW. I was hoping somehow more agressiveness from this M version. I'll wait for the 440i.

440i will look exactly like the current 435i, fwiw.

[aajami]

Originally Posted by SlowSaloonM3

um in the states the m235i replaces the 135i so it should still be there.

M235i replaces the 135is.

[hyperzulu]

Originally Posted by SlowSaloonM3

but that car is huge?

You're missing my point. The test mule looks to have 19" wheels on it. If they put those as standard on the car, they will probably have to fit 30 series tires, which would not be good. It'll look nice, but you really want more meat on your sidewall for a performance car.

[GOLFFRR]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

No need - plenty of time to get one because there's no limited production.

if its anything like current allocation of reg 2 series and M235 dealers will get 1 a month. M3/M4 is always basically like this with dealers getting 1-2 a month. So if it were me and I wanted one yes I would get on a list now.

[david.orr]

Originally Posted by hyperzulu

You're missing my point. The test mule looks to have 19" wheels on it. If they put those as standard on the car, they will probably have to fit 30 series tires, which would not be good. It'll look nice, but you really want more meat on your sidewall for a performance car.

35/19" is fine for road use, even occasional spirited drives. If some give is required for track work, spare set of track 18" rims/tyres should be handy. A large number of 1M owners track with our stock 235+265/35/19 without ever owning a track set of 18". 19" would look good for 2 series IMO.

[stefan]

Wow.. the proportional similarity to the E46 m3 is incredible. Shame it's only an improvement of 30hp over the S54. Should be a fun car though.

[JasonCSU]

Originally Posted by Wilson

When will this end. I say to your post, don't bother putting an old MT clunker in it and only offer it in M-DCT.

I could add that if they only offer in it MT they wont even move them off the lot. There is no argument here, the stats show that 75% of owners will purchase M-DCT over manual.

I am buying a performance car and I also want the performance transmission to go with it. Don't see many MT in F1 these days do you?

Having said that, I expect BMW to offer choices and let the buyer chose what options they want, that way we can all be happy.

With a comment like this, it is clear you don't understand. Those of us who want a manual don't care about the performance benefit of the DCT. We prefer the feel, involvement, and control a manual transmission offers. It is part of what makes driving fun. The fact that a traditional manual is less complicated and less costly to repair is an added bonus.

And as others have said, 1Ms did not sit on the lot.

[TunedM2C]

I know this isn't a M2 but it does give you an idea of how it will look with those wide fenders. Can't wait!

[ORIGIN M.]

No, it will not be.

Originally Posted by Powaup

Will it be a limited run like the 1m was?

[kerm1t]

Originally Posted by Strongbark

I know this isn't a M2 but it does give you an idea of how it will look with those wide fenders. Can't wait!

im definately trading it to a m2 if it looks like this

[SW19]

Does this mean that the M2 will be released before the LCI for the 2 series?

[ORIGIN M.]

The M2 will have the LCI changes just as the 1M did, and will come slightly before the LCI 2er.

Originally Posted by Nantucket

Does this mean that the M2 will be released before the LCI for the 2 series?

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Originally Posted by GOLFFRR

if its anything like current allocation of reg 2 series and M235 dealers will get 1 a month. M3/M4 is always basically like this with dealers getting 1-2 a month. So if it were me and I wanted one yes I would get on a list now.

Easy to get on a list and easy to drop off. There is not really any harm in getting on a list.