[Pure]

Wonderful! that's good news

[Wilson]

Originally Posted by dd1981

Keep your DCT for the M3/4 and offer it only in MT and stick the s55 in it defined it'll be slower then the M3/4 and problem solved.

Don't do this (even thought I'll wait to see all the official details) I'm off to 981 cayman s as well like someone stated in the earlier reply.

When will this end. I say to your post, don't bother putting an old MT clunker in it and only offer it in M-DCT.

I could add that if they only offer in it MT they wont even move them off the lot. There is no argument here, the stats show that 75% of owners will purchase M-DCT over manual.

I am buying a performance car and I also want the performance transmission to go with it. Don't see many MT in F1 these days do you?

Having said that, I expect BMW to offer choices and let the buyer chose what options they want, that way we can all be happy.

[RoboM]

V8 please!!!

[pit1]

Originally Posted by ///Matthew

A friend of mine shot this on the Garden State Parkway in NJ this week... M2?

I saw this car on PA turnpike two weeks ago. Only got a glimpse but def wider stance than M235i. Not sure what else it would be.

[pit1]

I wondered the same, will they decrement the m235i? M2 has little room to improve perf numbers over M235 before it cannibalizes the M4.

However, remember there are other M-Performance models offered, just not in N America. My bets are they both live and M2 offers the sharper, lighter and slightly quicker experience.

[as7920]

Originally Posted by pit1

I saw this car on PA turnpike two weeks ago. Only got a glimpse but def wider stance than M235i. Not sure what else it would be.

M2 then. Or M2 Gran Coupe. Now there's a thought.

[GOLFFRR]

Better get on a list ASAP IMO.

[F80_M]

Originally Posted by jaffa12

based on forum wide feedback from 135 owners who migrated into 1Ms, anticipated step changes from 235 to M2 should be significant enough to justify a 235 now and M2 a couple years later. I too have a 235 arriving shortly and am looking forward to the M2 if the weight and value are both good.

I'm right there with you. Hoping that it's not as limited as the 1M was.

[m981addicts]

Originally Posted by as7920

M2 then. Or M2 Gran Coupe. Now there's a thought.

M2 GC would be my first choice if offered. I'd like to enjoy the 135is for three more years so I have time for its development.

[mashimarho]

Awesome news!

[Murph335]

The light weight, fat fender plus LSD makes the 1M still most valuable player....
1M light weight with the n54 easily tuneable add 160rwhp and 200rwtq over stock for about $2k with DP, fmic, dci, Cobb e30 map!
Easily add the above parts and an LSD to a normal everyday 135i and have a blast for 1/2 price say $30k.

Any BMW with the n55 is a downgrade because it simply won't put down numbers like that for the $$. Probably going to run $50-60k for a 235i with software, fat fender body kit, and an LSD and new car depreciation.

New M3 is well worth the $$. 4dr utility, Lightweight parts that just can be fitted aftermarket, LSD, and stock power levels are just about where a modded n54 would be. This has got to mean 500hp is close and will be inexpensive.
The only downside I look at is the depreciation of a $70k car being brand new. 3yrs old this f80 will be the best bang for the buck at a 20-30k discount with the kinks worked out!

[pkimM3r]

Originally Posted by hyperzulu

BMW.... On the M5.

Just saying, those look like 19s. If they come standard with 30 series tires, it would be a bit of a letdown. That is not enough sidewall to allow proper roll. Seems doubtful though. The M4 comes with 18s standard and 40 series sidewalls.

but that car is huge?

[pkimM3r]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

Just sayin.

The timing is really going to work out for us early M235 adopters too, should we want to get one. I'm really excited about this car.

I DO wonder if the M235 goes away when this is produced - I might be wrong, but are there M performance models in the 3,4,5, or 6 series ? I don't think so - and my guess is that is because there's true M cars in those lines. Maybe the M-performance will stick to lines where there isn't a true M at the top.

Will be interesting to see...

um in the states the m235i replaces the 135i so it should still be there.

[Papa13]

Boo.. N55 is boring.. At least throw a tweaked version of the n54 in there.. We shall see tho.. Hopefully they will surprise us with a nice rebuilt engine..

It just better have twins.. Every performance version BMW contains twins..

I would almost rather a stock n54 then a barely upped n55..

Don't short change us BMW.. Everyone knows it deserves something special under the hood!

[Jadar]

Originally Posted by Wilson

When will this end. I say to your post, don't bother putting an old MT clunker in it and only offer it in M-DCT.

I could add that if they only offer in it MT they wont even move them off the lot. There is no argument here, the stats show that 75% of owners will purchase M-DCT over manual.

I am buying a performance car and I also want the performance transmission to go with it. Don't see many MT in F1 these days do you?

Having said that, I expect BMW to offer choices and let the buyer chose what options they want, that way we can all be happy.

Well you made you're case of why they shouldn't add all those things, I'm making a valid point as to why they should. I'm willing to bet that 90% of those things end up in the M2 minus the s55 which we all know is 99% rumored to be a hopped up N55. So be it. Will it still be a fantastic M car. Absofuckinglutly!

Again to save weight, money, they can do all the things people are asking. Not to mention cc brakes will be optional.

Yeah I do want the "clunker" trans this time around. To agree with your comment on the take rate of the M-DCT of 75%, it may even be higher than that. M/T won't be around for much longer and it is what it is.
I honestly don't need anyone's reason of opting for a DCT to justify their purchase, especially pulling out the old F1 cars use it argument. Lewis Hamilton or whoever is behind the wheel, their job is to get that car the fastest possible way around that track shaving off milliseconds and yes the DCT's are waaaaay faster for it. That's his job he's not out having coffee and donuts! He gets paid millions of damn dollars for it.

Now will you ever track your car? Probably not, will I? Probably not. I really don't give a darn if you can beat me to 60. I don't care that your car is .3 tents faster in the 1/4.
I want to row my own damn shaft through those gates. That's the fun factor for me. 99.9 % of my driving is street. And I've had and driven autos and DCT's, and they're fucking boring.
So the drug is still available to give the high, when it's not ill adapt as everyone will with it.

I ask you this one thing. How many 1M's ended up sitting on the lots because they were M/T? Not a single one.

Sure the volume was low, I don't know the exact global figure say 4500 units. 750 in the States. I'd say the M2 volume will be roughly double that, perhaps even 10,000. 35-40% manual, they'll all be sold...

So when will this end? When they stop making the "clunker".

[thurston]

This thing is going to be a damn beast. Perfect size for a coupe, too.

[jzmundy]

Originally Posted by dd1981

Well you made you're case of why they shouldn't add all those things, I'm making a valid point as to why they should. I'm willing to bet that 90% of those things end up in the M2 minus the s55 which we all know is 99% rumored to be a hopped up N55. So be it. Will it still be a fantastic M car. Absofuckinglutly!

Again to save weight, money, they can do all the things people are asking. Not to mention cc brakes will be optional.

Yeah I do want the "clunker" trans this time around. To agree with your comment on the take rate of the M-DCT of 75%, it may even be higher than that. M/T won't be around for much longer and it is what it is.
I honestly don't need anyone's reason of opting for a DCT to justify their purchase, especially pulling out the old F1 cars use it argument. Lewis Hamilton or whoever is behind the wheel, their job is to get that car the fastest possible way around that track shaving off milliseconds and yes the DCT's are waaaaay faster for it. That's his job he's not out having coffee and donuts! He gets paid millions of damn dollars for it.

Now will you ever track your car? Probably not, will I? Probably not. I really don't give a darn if you can beat me to 60. I don't care that your car is .3 tents faster in the 1/4.
I want to row my own damn shaft through those gates. That's the fun factor for me. 99.9 % of my driving is street. And I've had and driven autos and DCT's, and they're fucking boring.
So the drug is still available to give the high, when it's not ill adapt as everyone will with it.

I ask you this one thing. How many 1M's ended up sitting on the lots because they were M/T? Not a single one.

Sure the volume was low, I don't know the exact global figure say 4500 units. 750 in the States. I'd say the M2 volume will be roughly double that, perhaps even 10,000. 35-40% manual, they'll all be sold...

So when will this end? When they stop making the "clunker".

[ORIGIN M.]

Originally Posted by Prowess Symphony

An M car without an M engine? Everyone at M Division needs to be fired...

Exactly.

Somebody get these people some premium rum!!

[Sean@PSI]

So EPIC!

[twin fed]

Originally Posted by dd1981

Well you made you're case of why they shouldn't add all those things, I'm making a valid point as to why they should. I'm willing to bet that 90% of those things end up in the M2 minus the s55 which we all know is 99% rumored to be a hopped up N55. So be it. Will it still be a fantastic M car. Absofuckinglutly!

Again to save weight, money, they can do all the things people are asking. Not to mention cc brakes will be optional.

Yeah I do want the "clunker" trans this time around. To agree with your comment on the take rate of the M-DCT of 75%, it may even be higher than that. M/T won't be around for much longer and it is what it is.
I honestly don't need anyone's reason of opting for a DCT to justify their purchase, especially pulling out the old F1 cars use it argument. Lewis Hamilton or whoever is behind the wheel, their job is to get that car the fastest possible way around that track shaving off milliseconds and yes the DCT's are waaaaay faster for it. That's his job he's not out having coffee and donuts! He gets paid millions of damn dollars for it.

Now will you ever track your car? Probably not, will I? Probably not. I really don't give a darn if you can beat me to 60. I don't care that your car is .3 tents faster in the 1/4.
I want to row my own damn shaft through those gates. That's the fun factor for me. 99.9 % of my driving is street. And I've had and driven autos and DCT's, and they're fucking boring.
So the drug is still available to give the high, when it's not ill adapt as everyone will with it.

I ask you this one thing. How many 1M's ended up sitting on the lots because they were M/T? Not a single one.

Sure the volume was low, I don't know the exact global figure say 4500 units. 750 in the States. I'd say the M2 volume will be roughly double that, perhaps even 10,000. 35-40% manual, they'll all be sold...

So when will this end? When they stop making the "clunker".

Well Said. I agree 100%

[exmowner]

Originally Posted by BLU135i

Not the same motor. The new M3/M4 has the new S55, not the N55. It's still only rumors on how the M2 motor will differ from the current N55.

Anyone else think the n55 is overplayed?

[as7920]

Originally Posted by m981addicts

M2 GC would be my first choice if offered......

Yup, mine too!