[///MPhatic]

Originally Posted by Neusser

His comments were pretty on target, IMO.

As a stock car (which he was speaking to), the Comp is less spiky and the rear axle more stable. The S55 is also more suited to the track than the modded N55, and BMW offers a track-ready brake kit out of the box on the Comp.

I nearly bought an OG M2, but if one is not going to mod much, the answer is clear.

Chris rarely puts a foot wrong, IMO, and is one of the least likely journalists to be influenced by any manufacturer.

The 2NH offers better fade resistance, but everything else about it is worse IMO, which is why so many people get rid of it. It's also incompatible with 18" wheels (until recently).

Chris puts his foot straight in his mouth at times IMO, and all journalists turn tail when pressured, or we don't hear from them anymore.

[Neusser]

Originally Posted by ///MPhatic

The 2NH offers better fade resistance, but everything else about it is worse IMO, which is why so many people get rid of it. It's also incompatible with 18" wheels (until recently).

Chris puts his foot straight in his mouth at times IMO, and all journalists turn tail when pressured, or we don't hear from them anymore.

The dynamics are much better on the Comp for the track. Both models can hoon, but OG can't hold a line as well and is too spiky. It also has a less track-focused engine.

I like them both, but most of the changes on the Comp were made to address most of what Chris points out.

[///MPhatic]

Originally Posted by Neusser

The dynamics are much better on the Comp for the track.

Dynamics, right.

Originally Posted by Neusser

OG can't hold a line as well and is too spiky.

Bull. You'd have to be Senna to find a difference in an HPDE. The low end goes to the N55, and the top end goes to the S55, so it all depends on the track.

Originally Posted by Neusser

It also has a less track-focused engine.

You mean it has better cooling, but a vastly higher chance of a crank-hub failure. Exactly.

[timchump]

Originally Posted by Neusser

The stock brakes on the Comp are also not really track brakes, from what I have seen.

The gray brakes in the track pack were the ones to get if you were going to track with an OEM setup.

im not saying the comp brakes are "track" brakes im just saying in my experience of tracking an OG and a Comp, the comp brakes last a lot longer on track whether they are "track" brakes or not

[timchump]

Originally Posted by ThreeStripes

I added power to my OG and didn’t have heat issues. Heat management issues for these cars depend on a variety of factors and it’s not that simple.

The car has been demonstrated to punch above its weight at many tracks.

Now, I did add even MORE power after that and at about 450whp started to see issues with IATs when running in the summer but 400whp had no issues and had the car running side by side with a M2C on the straight bits.

agree it is not that simple there are many many variables

but it is considered the intercooler on the OG M2 is small
isnt it the same cooler used on the 116D or something ?

it it was me id upgrade to a larger intercooler, but keep the same design being a tube and fin intercooler like the OEM rather than a bar and plate design like many aftermarket coolers are
if there is one area that the comp is superior to the OG without doubt it is the charge cooler set up

[Neusser]

Originally Posted by ///MPhatic

Dynamics, right.



Bull. You'd have to be Senna to find a difference in an HPDE. The low end goes to the N55, and the top end goes to the S55, so it all depends on the track.



You mean it has better cooling, but a vastly higher chance of a crank-hub failure. Exactly.

EVO said the same thing Harris did. And they're about as sharp a group of reviewers as one finds.


Crank hub failure risk is nearly 0. I had never even heard of it outside of US forums (where fears of all types run rampant).

No one even knows about it here, because it virtually never happens.

[Neusser]

Originally Posted by timchump

im not saying the comp brakes are "track" brakes im just saying in my experience of tracking an OG and a Comp, the comp brakes last a lot longer on track whether they are "track" brakes or not

They might, but the whole point of the grays on the Comp was to address the complaint about the OG/base setup, which was fine for the road, but not so fine under demanding conditions.

[///MPhatic]

Originally Posted by Neusser

Crank hub failure risk is nearly 0.

There you go again, speaking for all people when you have no idea what the true failure statistics are. I guess they're 0 if they haven't happened to you. Fair point...for you, but not for everyone.

[Neusser]

Originally Posted by ///MPhatic

There you go again, speaking for all people when you have no idea what the true failure statistics are. I guess they're 0 if they haven't happened to you. Fair point...for you, but not for everyone.

You seem upset again.

When you calm down, you will realize what I wrote was that there is virtually nothing said about it here. It's literally a non-entity on forums and at shops.

My mechanic is an M freak with a track-prepped and stripped E46 M3 and knows nothing of it.

It is what it is.

I never put the OG down. I almost bought one. But the Comp is an improvement on the OG in just about every track-related metric--because it was literally created to do just that.