[silverado]

Artemis Thank you for all the great info you keep providing here!!

I have a question - How good is the source for the following?

• mid 2018: M2 Competition (3.0 S55 engine - 302kW) replaces the base M2 (3.0 N55 engine - 272 kW);

What happened to the idea that an S55 engine will be in both the base M2 and the M2 Competition (with more HP)? What about the statement from 2-3 years ago from BMW that they won’t stop production on the M2 if there is demand for it? Are we really saying that the M2 is going the way of the 1M, albeit with a longer production period?

I was thinking that I’ll get into an M2 in 2 years but now I’m very concerned that I would be forced to buy a more expensive, “hard-core” Competition version that I don’t need since I am unlikely to track it. The current M2 is close to perfection for me and the only reason I got an M240i instead was that I got a great deal on it and, trying to be very financially responsible, I couldn’t justify the added M2 cost yet. If the above is true I should be kicking myself that I didn’t just say screw it and squeezed myself financially into an M2 Or I should be trying to get out of my new lease and snatch one of the remaining M2’s.

[Pilot-Z]

Originally Posted by silverado

Artemis Thank you for all the great info you keep providing here!!

I have a question - How good is the source for the following?

• mid 2018: M2 Competition (3.0 S55 engine - 302kW) replaces the base M2 (3.0 N55 engine - 272 kW);

What happened to the idea that an S55 engine will be in both the base M2 and the M2 Competition (with more HP)? What about the statement from 2-3 years ago from BMW that they won’t stop production on the M2 if there is demand for it? Are we really saying that the M2 is going the way of the 1M, albeit with a longer production period?

I was thinking that I’ll get into an M2 in 2 years but now I’m very concerned that I would be forced to buy a more expensive, “hard-core” Competition version that I don’t need since I am unlikely to track it. The current M2 is close to perfection for me and the only reason I got an M240i instead was that I got a great deal on it and, trying to be very financially responsible, I couldn’t justify the added M2 cost yet. If the above is true I should be kicking myself that I didn’t just say screw it and squeezed myself financially into an M2 Or I should be trying to get out of my new lease and snatch one of the remaining M2’s.

As the thread you are posting in already states, the 2019 base M2 will have the S55. They are already being built... see his other thread 'VIN specs & features of over 100 pre-production BMW M2 Competition cars' (https://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1461147).

Price is pure speculation at this point.

No confirmed "hardcore CS" version I don't believe.

[silverado]

Originally Posted by Pilot-Z

As the thread you are posting in already states, the 2019 base M2 will have the S55. They are already being built...

Price is pure speculation at this point.

No confirmed "hardcore CS" version I don't believe.

But the bullet in my post about the M2 Competition replacing the base M2 comes from the December update in the stickie at the beginning of the thread and it has not been superseded. I thought it's all but confirmed that there will be a non-base version and the only flip flopping is about the name (Competition, CS, etc.).

[Franzino]

Originally Posted by kevlee23

Who thinks the CS will be released at Geneva?

Not going to happen...

Originally Posted by DarkstarZero

I'm #1 at BMW of Sterling, I created the list over a year ago. But they can be shady at times and like to charge mark-ups

So strange an official BMW dealer can charge mark-ups on a brand new ordered car... Cannot imagine this in my country...and I would never pay more then the normal price for any new car bought with a official dealer.

Originally Posted by Tag

I'm eager to learn more about the upgraded suspension. That's something many of us suspected, but really didn't have any leads on. Curious to see which direction they went in. Seems like more and more info is leaking leading up to the reveal which can't come soon enough.

I'm also very curious in the suspension and the bigger brakes option. The visual appearance of the M2 CS has less interest for me. M mirrors or not...I could not care less

[V-Eight]

My dealer told me last friday (Italy) that the price will not be such different from what we have today. As I allocated one of the only two chassis available here in my area, today probably I'll be able to tell you more about guys. Once he'll tell me something credible, I'll keep you all updated.

[Pilot-Z]

Originally Posted by silverado

But the bullet in my post about the M2 Competition replacing the base M2 comes from the December update in the stickie at the beginning of the thread and it has not been superseded. I thought it's all but confirmed that there will be a non-base version and the only flip flopping is about the name (Competition, CS, etc.).

Not exactly sure what you're asking, but the 2019 "base" M2 will be called M2 Competition... currently lol

[Pilot-Z]

Originally Posted by Pilot-Z

Not exactly sure what you're asking, but the 2019 "base" M2 will be called M2 Competition... currently lol

I don't think there is any new news about a version other than the base(competition) model. I believe there is speculation about some "CS" model later in 2019.

[silverado]

Originally Posted by Pilot-Z

Not exactly sure what you're asking, but the 2019 "base" M2 will be called M2 Competition... currently lol

Sorry, if my question was confusing. Maybe I'm reading too much into the "Competition" moniker. To me it seems like it must be more "hard core" to be a competition car, so probably more expensive to buy and insure. I have no interest in tracking (I.e., competing with) my car; I just want to enjoy its amazing dynamics. That's why I was hoping for a model that's not a Competition model. I hope this is clearer?

[akkando]

Originally Posted by silverado

Sorry, if my question was confusing Maybe I'm reading too much into the "Competition" moniker. To me it seems like it must be more "hard core" to be a competition car, so probably more expensive to buy and insure. That's why I was hoping for a model that's not a Competition model. Is this clear?

Starting around July there will only be one model of M2 for sale, and that model is the M2 Competition with the S55 motor. We got people saying their SA told them a big price jump and people saying their SA told them small price increase, so we don't know on price. It doesn't appear to be a more hardcore car as far as comfort, but it can be specced with more performance parts like brakes, wheels, seats if you want to pay for it.

[Tag]

Originally Posted by akkando

Starting around July there will only be one model of M2 for sale, and that model is the M2 Competition with the S55 motor. We got people saying their SA told them a big price jump and people saying their SA told them small price increase, so we don't know on price. It doesn't appear to be a more hardcore car as far as comfort, but it can be specced with more performance parts like brakes, wheels, seats if you want to pay for it.

It's supposedly getting a revised suspension and sits lower, so ride quality remains to be seen.

Source: https://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...3#post22859013

[akkando]

Originally Posted by Tag

It's supposedly getting a revised suspension and sits lower, so ride quality remains to be seen.

Source: https://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...3#post22859013

Sure, I just mean like they're not going to remove the backseats or remove arm rests or something as far as I know.

[Pilot-Z]

Originally Posted by Tag

It's supposedly getting a revised suspension and sits lower, so ride quality remains to be seen.

Source: https://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...3#post22859013

Lower would be good

[kfscoll]

Originally Posted by V-Eight

My dealer told me last friday (Italy) that the price will not be such different from what we have today. As I allocated one of the only two chassis available here in my area, today probably I'll be able to tell you more about guys. Once he'll tell me something credible, I'll keep you all updated.

Just as a counterpoint, the BDC manager at my dealer told me last Saturday that the M2 Competition would be “way more expensive.” So, yeah, no one really knows.

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by silverado

Artemis Thank you for all the great info you keep providing here!!
I have a question - How good is the source for the following?

• mid 2018: M2 Competition (3.0 S55 engine - 302kW) replaces the base M2 (3.0 N55 engine - 272 kW);

What happened to the idea that an S55 engine will be in both the base M2 and the M2 Competition (with more HP)? What about the statement from 2-3 years ago from BMW that they won’t stop production on the M2 if there is demand for it? Are we really saying that the M2 is going the way of the 1M, albeit with a longer production period?

First and foremost, keep in mind that BMW has not even officially confirmed yet the existence of the 'M2 Competition'. Therefore, we're all inevitably still roaming around in 'the speculation zone'.

However, we do know that the F87 M2 production life is scheduled to last from 2015 to 2020 (source: see here and here). Also, two production schedule screenshots that were leaked early 2017 showed March 2018 as start of production date for the "F87CS" and "M2 CS" (nowadays "M2 Competition" or soon-to-be known as only M2 model). One of these screenshots also showed October 2020 as M2 Competition end of production date. But that was back then. Time moves on - so do schedules.

On dedicated BMW forums rumors have repeatedly surfaced that mid 2018 the N55 M2 will be replaced by the S55 M2 Competition.

For the record:

• 1H91 (EUR - LHD) | 1H92 (EUR - RHD) | 1H93 (USA - LHD) = the original F87 M2
• 1J51 (EUR - LHD) | 1J52 (EUR - RHD) | 1J53 (USA - LHD) = the F87 M2 LCI
• 2U71 (EUR - LHD) | 2U72 (EUR - RHD) | 2U73 (USA - LHD) = the forthcoming F87 M2 Competition

Below is a USA MY2019 schedule excerpt (= July 2018 to June 2019) that forum fellow SickFinga recently posted:

• only 2U73 (F87 M2 Competition - USA) is mentioned (16 months production run for MY2019 for that S55 model);
• no 1J53 (F87 M2 LCI - USA) is mentioned = production of that N55 model ends before July 2018;
• no other F87 M2 model is mentioned = at this stage no expectation for a hardcore M2 as MY2019 model (MY2020 will be the last train to catch, if BMW greenlights that project).

(source: here)

Early 2017 a document leaked on Bimmerpost showing codes of numerous BMW classes (see here). The list also showed that the following M2 F87 codes have been reserved (apart from 1H91 | 1H92 | 1H93 | 1J51 | 1J52 | 1J53 | 2U71 | 2U72 | 2U73):

• M2: 1H01 (EUR - LHD) | 1H02 (EUR - RHD) | 1H03 (USA - LHD)
• M2: 1J61 (EUR - LHD) | 1J62 (EUR - RHD) | 1J63 (USA - LHD)
• M2 Competition: 2U81 (EUR - LHD) | 2U82 (EUR - RHD) | 2U83 (USA - LHD)

AFAIK none of those models are known as we speak. Of course this does not mean that the referenced cars exist or are scheduled to exist. It's rather reserving for the sake of classification and/or labeling possible future F87 M2 variants.

[SW19]

July 2018 to June 2019 is not 16 production months.It is 12 production months.Does this mean that they will extend the MY19 M2 production to October 2019 and that will be the end of the production run for the F87 M2.

[RPM33]

Originally Posted by Artemis

• only 2U73 (F87 M2 Competition - USA) is mentioned (16 months production run for MY2019 for that S55 model);

Why does it say 16 months when 7/18 - 6/19 is 12 months?

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by Nantucket

July 2018 to June 2019 is not 16 production months.It is 12 production months.Does this mean that they will extend the MY19 M2 production to October 2019 and that will be the end of the production run for the F87 M2.

Originally Posted by RPM33

Why does it say 16 months when 7/18 - 6/19 is 12 months?

March 2018 to June 2019 is also 16 months.

[SickFinga]

Originally Posted by Artemis

Early 2017 a document leaked on Bimmerpost showing codes of numerous BMW classes (see here). The list also showed that the following M2 F87 codes have been reserved (apart from 1H91 | 1H92 | 1H93 | 1J51 | 1J52 | 1J53 | 2U71 | 2U72 | 2U73):

• M2: 1H01 (EUR - LHD) | 1H02 (EUR - RHD) | 1H03 (USA - LHD)
• M2: 1J61 (EUR - LHD) | 1J62 (EUR - RHD) | 1J63 (USA - LHD)
• M2 Competition: 2U81 (EUR - LHD) | 2U82 (EUR - RHD) | 2U83 (USA - LHD)

AFAIK none of those models are known as we speak. Of course this does not mean that the referenced cars exist or are scheduled to exist. It's rather reserving for the sake of classification and/or labeling possible future F87 M2 variants.

1H01 is an automatic version of 1H91
1J61 of 1J51
2U81 of 2U71

It doesn't mean that any of those were ever planned with an automatic transmission, those codes were simply reserved.

For example,

2J53 - is an NA-spec M240i with a manual transmission
2J63 is the same as above but with an automatic transmission.

BMW considers SMG and DCT cars to be manual, so there is no distinction between those two and cars with a manual transmission.

Originally Posted by RPM33

Why does it say 16 months when 7/18 - 6/19 is 12 months?

Because BMW is bad at math. I've seen it happen before, the 2016 SOP/EOP also lists F82 as 16 months, but date range shows 12 months

[crvz]

Originally Posted by kfscoll

Just as a counterpoint, the BDC manager at my dealer told me last Saturday that the M2 Competition would be “way more expensive.” So, yeah, no one really knows.

Might be a difference in markets, but I would be surprised if the price increase is substantially varied throughout the countries. I've got a deposit on a 2019 model under the stipulation that said model holds to within ~10% of the 2018 prices. If the increase is really as implied on the post a few pages back (did it say something like £8-9k, what's that make it ~$12k USD?), that's a deal breaker. Granted, I'm also going to be pissed if some dumb trade war slaps US tariffs on european imports.

[Franzino]

Originally Posted by V-Eight

My dealer told me last friday (Italy) that the price will not be such different from what we have today. As I allocated one of the only two chassis available here in my area, today probably I'll be able to tell you more about guys. Once he'll tell me something credible, I'll keep you all updated.

My BMW dealer told me there is first going to be a M2 with the Competition pack and then a "more limited available" M2 CS. Sounds a bit like the same story as with the M4... But the M4 CS was overpriced...so maybe the sweet spot of the street-track M2 is the M2 with competition pack and extra brake upgrade option?

We will see, but it's looks that a M2 competition is just a normal MY19 M2 equipped with a S55 engine and a optional competition pack. If the pricing of the M4 CS is anything to go by then a M2 CS is going to be massively overpriced...or maybe BMW is not going to make that mistake twice?

[mtoosexy]

Originally Posted by Franzino

My BMW dealer told me there is first going to be a M2 with the Competition pack and then a "more limited available" M2 CS. Sounds a bit like the same story as with the M4... But the M4 CS was overpriced...so maybe the sweet spot of the street-track M2 is the M2 with competition pack and extra brake upgrade option?

We will see, but it's looks that a M2 competition is just a normal MY19 M2 equipped with a S55 engine and a optional competition pack. If the pricing of the M4 CS is anything to go by then a M2 CS is going to be massively overpriced...or maybe BMW is not going to make that mistake twice?

I will pay @60k for comp
and @70k for cs, any more than that and I will just keep my dd and pick up my Pcar.

[norMcal]

I'm sending my $1k deposit in today. My dealer will give me their first spot on a M2 Comp pkg model and sell it for MSRP. Not 100% if I will want it, but better to get ready for it while I can.
If I go for it, then my garage queen e46 m3 has to go unfortunately :-(, but a M2 CS should be a worthy replacement.