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      08-16-2019, 10:12 AM   #265
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Am I the only one that thinks the new vette is ugly?

Proportions seem off, the rear is a hideous version of the Camaro's, and looks like heavy use of cheap plastics. It's also way too heavy. Having said that, I'm sure the performance is going to be there.
Felt the same but the C8 in white hides a lot of awkward lines.

This is the current gen NSX though in many other ways. I wish Honda/Acura did something similiar instead of chasing after 570 crowd which they can't win.
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I want the C8 to sell well, only for the fact that BMW either needs to lower their base price on the M2/M4 (not very likely) or to offer more options as standard to lure people to them (probably not likely as well)
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I want the C8 to sell well, only for the fact that BMW either needs to lower their base price on the M2/M4 (not very likely) or to offer more options as standard to lure people to them (probably not likely as well)
BMW has unfortunately lost their way in many ways
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C8 looks fugly, way too much going on, too many lines vents, its kind of hideous. the interior is ugly that row of buttons lol, my next car is a 991>>>
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does GM include jorts and nike monarchs with every C8 purchase?
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does GM include jorts and nike monarchs with every C8 purchase?
Just like BMW includes hair gel and a collar popping kit
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does GM include jorts and nike monarchs with every C8 purchase?
True performance car enthusiasts don't care about the perception, they care about the end result driving experience.

If you buy or don't buy a car on image and perception, then you might have more pressing issues than picking a new car.
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does GM include jorts and nike monarchs with every C8 purchase?
True performance car enthusiasts don't care about the perception, they care about the end result driving experience.

If you buy or don't buy a car on image and perception, then you might have more pressing issues than picking a new car.
Yeah because the laferrari looks like it does for performance reasons only.

Ignoring the looks and perception of a car ignores the entire reasons some of the greatest cars were ever made.

And how do you even define a true performance car enthusiast? Because I know tons of guys that would fit that category to me that would never own a corvette and tons of others that would never own a Porsche. So I'm curious what you think this objective criteria looks like?
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Yeah because the laferrari looks like it does for performance reasons only.

Ignoring the looks and perception of a car ignores the entire reasons some of the greatest cars were ever made.

And how do you even define a true performance car enthusiast? Because I know tons of guys that would fit that category to me that would never own a corvette and tons of others that would never own a Porsche. So I'm curious what you think this objective criteria looks like?
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I think a 3rd year of production C8 is very likely in my future (give them two years to work the bugs out). Likely a yellow on tan 3LT grand sport.



Why do you want that, though?

The Chevy LS/LT engines are more reliable than BMW engines of the same power output
The Chevy LS/LT engines are lighter than BMW engines of the same power output
The Chevy LS/LT engines are more compact than BMW engines of the same power output (valve covers on the C8 are below the top of the tires!)
The Chevy LS/LT engines get similar fuel economy than BMW engines of the same power output
The Chevy LS/LT engines are easier to modify/maintain than BMW engines of the same power output
The Chevy LS/LT engines are cheaper to replace/repair the BMW engines of the same power output.
The Chevy LS/LT engines have better throttle response than BMW Turbo engines

Change for the sake of change is silly. The LS/LT engines are light, cheap, powerful, compact, efficient, responsive, and have a broad powerband.

People often like to talk about how pushrods are old tech. Admittedly, it is-- first pushrod engine came out in 1904. That said, dual overhead cam engines first came out in 1912-- so while it IS newer... do we care about 1904 vs 1912?
Yeah, I think I'm just in a much different place than most of you guys. I've done cross-plane cranked V8s to death over the years, modded the hell out of all of them, and assuming I'm limited to 1-3 cars, they're just played out for me. Then again, ask me in a year and I might change my mind! After all, I do I have a short attention span

Seriously, I don't dispute all/most of your statements. I'm not a Chevy or BMW fanboy (the M2c being my first, and likely last BMW unless they quit adding weight and nonsense to all of their cars)...rather, it's the experience for me at this point.

If I scrape together the time and money to do that resto-mod I've been lusting after, an LS is 100% a potential power source. I'd also like to see how the GT500 plays out and its viability as a crate motor. Would i consider BMW, VW/Audi or any "modern" ish engine? No way in hell for many reasons you mention, and then some.
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Yeah, I think I'm just in a much different place than most of you guys. I've done cross-plane cranked V8s to death over the years, modded the hell out of all of them, and assuming I'm limited to 1-3 cars, they're just played out for me. Then again, ask me in a year and I might change my mind! After all, I do I have a short attention span

Seriously, I don't dispute all/most of your statements. I'm not a Chevy or BMW fanboy (the M2c being my first, and likely last BMW unless they quit adding weight and nonsense to all of their cars)...rather, it's the experience for me at this point.

If I scrape together the time and money to do that resto-mod I've been lusting after, an LS is 100% a potential power source. I'd also like to see how the GT500 plays out and its viability as a crate motor. Would i consider BMW, VW/Audi or any "modern" ish engine? No way in hell for many reasons you mention, and then some.
While I love my Macan Turbo, there is lag, no matter what magazine reviewer say. There is no lag on my Corvette. And cars with turbos are somewhat misleading. Although my Macan is technically a 3.6l v6, it probably has an additional 2+ liters in displacement with the two turbos on it. So in reality, it’s probably much closer in size to my 6.2L engine and much more complicated, requiring more frequent and expensive maintenance.
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Check out the buttons arranged in a single line. It would take me forever to locate what I'm looking for. I would have to take my eyes off the road every time. I know I'm nitpicking here because it appears to be a phenomenal vehicle but who thought that was a good idea?
Literally can I have a "side of extra buttons" to go with my buttons? all kidding aside I hope it does well.
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C8 looks fugly, way too much going on, too many lines vents, its kind of hideous. the interior is ugly that row of buttons lol, my next car is a 991>>>
Yeah, what a fugly car...

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Yeah, what a fugly car...

Everybody's got an opinion.
If I had never heard of or seen the C8, I would probably look at that photo and think "what supercar is that?"
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M2 killer.. m3 killer.. m4 killer... priced under everything in its competition...
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If I had never heard of or seen the C8, I would probably look at that photo and think "what supercar is that?"
Same here.
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And for those of you bashing the quality of the Corvette check this out. M2C with O2 CEL before it drove out of the showroom.

https://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...post&t=1644455
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And for those of you bashing the quality of the Corvette check this out. M2C with O2 CEL before it drove out of the showroom.

https://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...&t=1644455
One faulty sensor does not make an unreliable car. This is what is called a logical fallacy.

While the Corvettes have been generally reliable, Chevy is also facing multiple high profile class action lawsuits right now specifically about the C7 Corvette's defects/unreliability. How would you like your wheels cracking by just driving them?

For the people who hate on Chevy quality on current C7s and Camaros, hasn't been in one. They are night and day better than they used to be on the previous generations. The C8 will be good too. And for the price, quality vs cost is a hell of a bargain.
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One faulty sensor does not make an unreliable car. This is what is called a logical fallacy.

While the Corvettes have been generally reliable, Chevy is also facing multiple high profile class action lawsuits right now specifically about the C7 Corvette's defects/unreliability. How would you like your wheels cracking by just driving them?

For the people who hate on Chevy quality on current C7s and Camaros, hasn't been in one. They are night and day better than they used to be on the previous generations. The C8 will be good too. And for the price, quality vs cost is a hell of a bargain.
https://www.carcomplaints.com/news/2...-lawsuit.shtml
http://e6061wateringresssettlement.com/
https://www.schmidtlaw.com/bmw-class-action-lawsuit/
https://www.classaction.org/bmw-dies...sions-lawsuits
https://consumerist.com/2017/02/08/b...-damaged-cars/

No one company is immune.
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One faulty sensor does not make an unreliable car. This is what is called a logical fallacy.

While the Corvettes have been generally reliable, Chevy is also facing multiple high profile class action lawsuits right now specifically about the C7 Corvette's defects/unreliability. How would you like your wheels cracking by just driving them?

For the people who hate on Chevy quality on current C7s and Camaros, hasn't been in one. They are night and day better than they used to be on the previous generations. The C8 will be good too. And for the price, quality vs cost is a hell of a bargain.
https://www.carcomplaints.com/news/2...-lawsuit.shtml
http://e6061wateringresssettlement.com/
https://www.schmidtlaw.com/bmw-class-action-lawsuit/
https://www.classaction.org/bmw-dies...sions-lawsuits
https://consumerist.com/2017/02/08/b...-damaged-cars/

No one company is immune.
That's my point......

Quick question, how many of those are for the M2/M2C?
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That's my point......

Quick question, how many of those are for the M2/M2C?
None, yet.
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That's my point......

Quick question, how many of those are for the M2/M2C?
None, yet.
"Yet" is that key word haha. That frying amp issue with some rain may end up becoming something, who knows.
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