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"LL-01 oils are for high sulfur content fuels - as in USA fuels. LL-04 oil is for low sulfur content fuels - as in Germany/Europe fuels" Back in the early to mid nineties BMW had a huge problem with the high sulfur fuels in the USA with their V8 engines. The high sulfur caused many BMW V8 engines to loose compression and rough running. It had to do with teh special cylinder coatings - that the high sulur would damage the way the pistons rings would seal against the cylinder wall. It became so bad that BMW increased the garranty to 10year/100K miles (only for these effected v8 engines) - and had an open "service campaign" (NOT a recall!) for any 530i, 540i, 730i or 740i owner to have their BMW dealer REPLACE their engine will a different engine block deisgn - as to not have future problems with high sulfur in the fuels. This is what caused BMW to develop special oils for each market. (USA -Europe) |
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Official bmw answer: "LL-01 oils are for high sulfur content fuels - as in USA fuels. LL-04 oil is for low sulfur content fuels - as in Germany/Europe fuels" Back in the early to mid nineties BMW had a huge problem with the high sulfur fuels in the USA with their V8 engines. The high sulfur caused many BMW V8 engines to loose compression and rough running. It had to do with teh special cylinder coatings - that the high sulur would damage the way the pistons rings would seal against the cylinder wall. It became so bad that BMW increased the garranty to 10year/100K miles (only for these effected v8 engines) - and had an open "service campaign" (NOT a recall!) for any 530i, 540i, 730i or 740i owner to have their BMW dealer REPLACE their engine will a different engine block deisgn - as to not have future problems with high sulfur in the fuels. This is what caused BMW to develop special oils for each market. (USA -Europe) |
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I have a 1M and I drive it really hard with an occasional track day or two per year. I live in Anaheim Hills (Southern California).
After going through this whole thread it looks like the right oil for me is 5w40. Thank you for your input nachob. We have the same car and live in the same part of the world so your input has been super helpful. Do you all agree with 5w40? if so, what specific oil do you recommend? I prefer LiquiMoly. Is there a Liquimoly option that works best for my application? I ask because there are 2 types available: Liquimoly MolyGen New Generation 5w40 (BMW Longlife-01) - I'm leaning towards using this for my BMW and Porsche Liquimoly Leichtlauf High Tech 5w40 (BMW Longlife-01) Nachob, what kind of oil are you running these days? BTW, my instagram is also MediHash Last edited by MediHash; 05-29-2019 at 02:22 AM.. |
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After two years on OEM oil in my M2, just put Motul in and wow, you can instantly feel the difference - Motul 300V 5W-40. My M2 is pretty much a dedicated track/fun car, I am also driving 20-25+ track days a year. I have always run Motul 300V for track driving.
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05-30-2019, 02:26 PM | #74 |
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I am putting in 5w-40 Pennzoil Euro Platinum. Its BMW LL01 approved.
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Is it better than genuine Snake Oil though? I understand that stuff gives you an extra 10.8% horsepower, 14.2% fuel economy and ensures your engine will be as new for at least 218k miles...
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I live in Canada so it's pretty cold climate but I store my car in the garage over winter (typically drive from April~Sept). Typically ambient temperatures I drive the car at is between 41F and 77F. I been running the recommended BMW 0W-30 LL01FE on my F87 so far but I been looking for alternatives. I can get my hands on the Pennzoil Platinum Euro stuff pretty easily for 0W-30, 5W-30, and 5W-40. Looks like they are all BMW LL04 and SN plus. For my case in Canada, I gathered from the post I probably can move to a Plat Euro 5W-30 and maybe even up to a 5W-40?
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the M2 originally came with Shell made LL-01 5W-30 and BMW says it's approved until they run out of it so you can buy BMW 5W-30 online until runs out corrected since Pennzoil 5W-30 not LL-01 would work great but as I said before in your case it's not a super clear cut case as there is some slight benefit if the car sits a long time and if you do short drives. If you make long hard spirited drives or autocross and and have mechanical empathy to warm up your car before pushing, then Platinum Euro 5W-40 probably offers more protection and probably less evaporation. When I operate my car, it is usually in the 68F-96F range so you can see in my case I run it on hot days and usually make long 1 hour drives so the benefits of the 5W-40 are greater vs cold start. So how you drive it is the missing piece to determine the best oil but you are in a good place. If you lived in Phoenix Arizona and told me you were running 0W-30, I would scream and say turn off the motor and get 5W-40 where they regularly see 110-115F days with AC running on top of it. Last edited by nachob; 07-26-2020 at 01:04 PM.. |
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I'm not sure about the states but in Canada the Pennzoil Euro 5W30 is called "Pennzoil Platinum Euro L" and when I look at the bottle it only specifies it meets/exceed BMW LL-04. Is that the same stuff you were referring to? or is there a Platinum Euro that is BMW LL-01 instead? Thanks |
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I have worked for a professional factory race team in the test department. For disclosure that was 30 years ago but the concepts are the same. Race stuff is NOT necessarily better for the street. There is this notion that if something for the track will translate to more durability on the street. That is NOT often the case. Oils like MOTUL that are truly for racing are designed to provide racing performance. That means most of their focus and testing revolves around high intensity durability. Oil that can withstand high stress loads of racing and race teams change the oil often. So while they can be better for tracking and are designed to work better under duress they can break down quicker if you just drive around in a direct injected motor with fuel mixing with it. So eventually you end up with less protection just driving around. Now MOTUL did at some point have LL-01 oil which means they tested it for Long Life and that it what should be used to replace factory oil unless you are a track beast and change your oil after every event. I don't want to digress too much but same thing goes air filters. KN filters are great for a little boost at the expense of letting more crap into your motor. It is dumb " in my opinion" to use a KN for 15 years on a street car as it lets crap that can damage your engine into it. I used them in my autocrossing days BUT I would put in the morning of the autocross and put a regular filter back in after since that was also my street car. So if you use Race oil and treat it like race oil, change it often, etc than that is OK, the concern I raise here is that automatic assumption that if it's race stuff it will be more durable than street-focused oils. Last edited by nachob; 07-26-2020 at 01:05 PM.. |
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I also used LiquidMoly 2009 MOS2 anti-friction additive as suggested by my Indy service center as my car has 62K miles. Another member said - "No additives" so I don't really know. All seems ok after about 1K miles after the change. |
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Also the benefits of using good oil and weight are not going to show in 1K or 5k miles. These show up many years later at 10OK. You will also not see significant temperature drops as the temps you see are operating temperatures since the oil is doing its job to lubricare and spread the heat into oil so it can be cooled. The use of good oil and appropriate weight are intended to prevent breakdown of the lubricanting properties. |
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Everyone in North America can run the low TBN LL-04 oils now since we have the same 10ppm sulphur content regulations as Europe. |
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