[GerardzM]

Has anyone seen this?

https://www.bmwblog.com/2019/02/26/b...in-the-future/ ("BMW M2 Track Cup with 470 hp could arrive in the future")

If this is true, this is just getting ridiculous with all the sub models.

Literal drip feed.

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by GerardzM

Has anyone seen this?
https://www.bmwblog.com/2019/02/26/b...in-the-future/ ("BMW M2 Track Cup with 470 hp could arrive in the future")
If this is true, this is just getting ridiculous with all the sub models.
Literal drip feed.

Already in July 2018 ynguldyn reported in the model pipeline preview thread about signs of an "M2 Racing".

And on Feb 25, 2019 forum fellow Ibiza reported about a 470hp track-only M2 in the works (information reported to be obtained from the BMW Group testing centre in Arjeplog, located in northern Sweden some 55 km from the Arctic Circle):

Originally Posted by Ibiza

There is also a M2 Track Cup scheduled for production in the future, similar to the M4 GT4, i.e. not road legal. HP is rumored at 470 hp. 1st hand knowledge from Arjeplog, Sweden.

[Ibiza]

Originally Posted by GerardzM

Has anyone seen this?

https://www.bmwblog.com/2019/02/26/b...in-the-future/ ("BMW M2 Track Cup with 470 hp could arrive in the future")

If this is true, this is just getting ridiculous with all the sub models.

Literal drip feed.

BMWBlog reached out to their source to confirm what I reported. The M2 Track Cup would be built similar to the M4 GT4, meaning that BMW Motorsports outsources to Holzer Motorsport a stripper from the production line.

[jmg]

Originally Posted by DanG

Probably true. Most can’t tell the difference between an M4, M4C, and M4CS.

Just having fun with all the people that were upset that the M2C came out a year after the M2 LCI.

I can definitely tell between the CS and the non-ZPC. Less so the non-ZCP and the ZCP.

[EthanEJC]

Originally Posted by N54

So is Geneva too soon ?

Or will it be Bejing again ?

I hope so!

[SeanWRT]

Next big show with China would be the Shanghai Auto Show in late April. CS could show, but that's a long shot to say the least.

M4 GTS/CS were not very well received by the China market. Dealers are dumping them at more than 25% discount. And till this day there are still new sitting at their showroom. That's even when the allocation is extremely limited. GTS 14 pieces and CS 30 pieces or so.

[SCOTT26]

It will not be Shanghai as the BMW X3M and X4M have their debut there.
After Geneva it's the next show for BMW as they are not attending NYIAS.

[medphysdave]

I would think Goodwood if things have been pulled ahead to 2019 since BMW is sponsor, otherwise IAA and deliveries in 2020.

[SeanWRT]

To the corporate, timing is critical for the success of a product, above pretty much anything else. They'd rather hold it to a later time, or push a pre mature release, or even kill it, than do it at a bad time.

Believe it or not, the CS was all ready way back. All the spy shots we're let see are part of the marketing tricks, in order to build up anticipation and drama. It's been waiting for a good time to show.

But the bad time for the M2 CS to show is when X3M/X4M launch in Q2 2019 and G80/82 launch in the 1st half of 2020. Because M2 CS would be similarly priced to X3/4M (Yes, people, a lot of them, can and WILL cross shop between a mid engine sports car, a high end SUV and a high performance crossover sedan). And the F87 CS will be more expensive than the G80/82 but have less performance, less technology and less luxury.

Interesting enough, my dealer told me last week he can accept NOW the pre order for the M8 and the first batch allocation will be delivered by the 2019 end, or Q1 2020.

M8 sits much higher than the M2 CS, and BMW needs more than just M8 release in the 2nd half of 2019, which is when the CS will debut and why.

What's good is that the CSL if it's ever happening will happen after G80 release. BMW will no doubt price it at 100-110k (US market), or a 50% premium over the G80 base. BMW will be hold accountable for the CSL to perform not far off

The bad side of it, the G80/82 is also why BMW can kill the F87 CSL.

[GoneIn4Secs]

Originally Posted by GerardzM

Has anyone seen this?

https://www.bmwblog.com/2019/02/26/b...in-the-future/ ("BMW M2 Track Cup with 470 hp could arrive in the future")

If this is true, this is just getting ridiculous with all the sub models.

Literal drip feed.

Yea but is not road legal, so who cares

[N54]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

It will not be Shanghai as the BMW X3M and X4M have their debut there.
After Geneva it's the next show for BMW as they are not attending NYIAS.

Okay, it’s not Shanghai, will it be Stuttgart ?

[CosmosMpower]

I'll laugh if this car is really 80K+ when a M2C is low 60's. 20k for a 500 dollar tune and a bunch of ugly bolt on carbon parts, crazy. I was having a hard time stomaching the 10k difference from OG M2 to M2C and that included a much improved/tunable engine.

[Poochie]

Originally Posted by CosmosMpower

I'll laugh if this car is really 80K+ when a M2C is low 60's. 20k for a 500 dollar tune and a bunch of ugly bolt on carbon parts, crazy. I was having a hard time stomaching the 10k difference from OG M2 to M2C and that included a much improved/tunable engine.

Laugh all you want but they will still sell each one like penny lemonade on a hot day..

I never thought that they would be able to sell an entry-level M2C at 'low 60k' yet here we are.. That works out to about a $1,200 month payment, for just a better motor..

There are enough kids with rich parents and mid-life crisis men out there to substantiate the demand for an M2 CS..

[medphysdave]

I think people are going to be surprised at how little the price is going to increase. I doubt all the carbon pieces are going to be add on at msrp price point. The delta between the M2C wheels and 763m wheels is likely small. My guess is 83k with CCB. Maybe a little more if Mperform exhaust is standard, which I believe it will. The CS won't be limited, and not worth the extra cost over the C for a DD. This is also why I think they will end the run of C.

All speculation, no fact supporting this opinion. ( I was right about a manual offering with this logic)

[CosmosMpower]

Originally Posted by Poochie

Laugh all you want but they will still sell each one like penny lemonade on a hot day..

I never thought that they would be able to sell an entry-level M2C at 'low 60k' yet here we are.. That works out to about a $1,200 month payment, for just a better motor..

There are enough kids with rich parents and mid-life crisis men out there to substantiate the demand for an M2 CS..

The M2 to M2C was only about a 5k price difference. The 2016 M2 "entry level" car was already mid 50's. The small jump for a better motor is a much better deal for a huge jump for a bunch of cosmetic and minor weight saving body panels and a factory uprated tune. There's no tangible performance benefit to justify a 20K increase.

I don't see it being a big seller at 80K+, just like the M3 and M4 CS didn't sell at 100K+ and now being heavily discounted to clear out remaining inventory that sat for 1+ years. Too big of an increase in price for minimal upgrades.

[Poochie]

Originally Posted by CosmosMpower

The M2 to M2C was only about a 5k price difference. The 2016 M2 "entry level" car was already mid 50's. The small jump for a better motor is a much better deal for a huge jump for a bunch of cosmetic and minor weight saving body panels and a factory uprated tune. There's no tangible performance benefit to justify a 20K increase.

I don't see it being a big seller at 80K+, just like the M3 and M4 CS didn't sell at 100K+ and now being heavily discounted to clear out remaining inventory that sat for 1+ years. Too big of an increase in price for minimal upgrades.

An M4 sells for about 75-80k and I only manage to see one evertime I open my eyes... Which is roughly what the M2 CS will go for sticker..

The average poser that cares more about show than go, which lets face it, is most M4 owners, didn't see enough pizazz in the M4 CS to justify the difference in price. They don't even know why it cost more than the standard version, all they know is "I'll lose the armrest"

The M2 CS will stand out more than M4 CS did. It will have more of a buzz and be within the range of the M4 owner's pay-grade.

Come back in 6 months after it's release and sold out everywhere and prove me wrong

[csbear]

If BMW puts the M2 CS at $80K starting, it will be the same mistake they made with the M3/M4 CS. I will be surprised if they go that route.

At $80K we are talking various cars that will put the M2CS to shame performance wise. The car will be a complete joke vs the ZL1 1LE, as an example, which can be had in the high $60K new, as an example. Plus, you have the 718 GTS and other contenders, including the M3/M4 themselves.

Now, for people getting the M3/M4 CS at a discount, that is great. They are still great cars obviously. However, BMW is being arrogant with their pricing structure on these CS models.

The Competition models seem to be the best values as of now.

Now I like the idea of the M2 CS, don't get me wrong, but BMW needs to realize that a lot of their fans are also Porsche fans as well. Sneak too high up in the price for a BMW, then people will be asking, "I can get car X for the same price"

[F87_LCI]

Originally Posted by csbear

Now I like the idea of the M2 CS, don't get me wrong, but BMW needs to realize that a lot of their fans are also Porsche fans as well. Sneak too high up in the price for a BMW, then people will be asking, "I can get car X for the same price"

Agree with you 100% here.

Originally Posted by csbear

At $80K we are talking various cars that will put the M2CS to shame performance wise. The car will be a complete joke vs the ZL1 1LE, as an example, which can be had in the high $60K new, as an example.

Here is where you lose me a bit. I don't think many people (except in US maybe?) are cross shopping German performance/quality with American muscle/garbage. 0-60 times on a piece of paper might be similar or better for some crap Camaro/Vette, but these are a completely different consumer.

I'm not saying the M2/M2C/M2CS is the best car by any stretch, but I for one wouldn't take a free Mustang/Camaro/Vette if it was offered to me. I'm pretty sure that the dash of Barbie's pink Mustang is made of a higher quality plastic than an actual Mustang.

[filet.M2c]

Late to the game here (mostly frequent M2c section these days) After seeing this I will absolutely not hesitate picking up my "obsolete" M2c next month

Like many have said, if BMW follows a similar pricing structure with the M2 CS as they have on the M3/4, that places it at $84.5K even accounting for DCT removal! At that price or even >$75K it just doesn't make sense from a value perspective even within their own hierarchy.

I do think the Misano Blue/CF roof combo will be incredible though If BMW offered factory options "special"(not individual) paint for $2-3K with an actual selection beyond the few uninspiring choices offered and CF roof $2-4K, I would tick both those boxes. Instead, they have an all or nothing approach. I can personally justify spending $6K for items I specifically want but not an additional $20K for the entire package. I remember seeing another member who used a peel-able paint SMB on his M2, looked great. I'm planning on exploring that option but there's more value if it came from the factory.

Really a shame. A car's color provides character and uniqueness. Some claim the limited choices are due to manufacturing constraints, but I don't buy it. Sure, it will help with production line efficiency ultimately reducing cost, but this is a premium sports coupe in what is perceived to be a premium brand. Shouldn't have to make large compromises on something as simple as color... but they don't care because idiots like me will still buy it

I'll just leave what it looks like to option a golf R here...

Originally Posted by F87_LCI

Here is where you lose me a bit. I don't think many people (except in US maybe?) are cross shopping German performance/quality with American muscle/garbage. 0-60 times on a piece of paper might be similar or better for some crap Camaro/Vette, but these are a completely different consumer.

Here in the US people are definitely cross shopping American/ German performance cars. A couple GT350 owners I've met previously owned M cars and chose to make the switch. That "American garbage" ie GT350, ZL1 1LE, Z06 will spank some German competitors twice their price and not just at the drag strip. While the interior quality debate carries some merit, the disparity is not as large as some make it out to be.

[csbear]

Originally Posted by F87_LCI

Agree with you 100% here.
Here is where you lose me a bit. I don't think many people (except in US maybe?) are cross shopping German performance/quality with American muscle/garbage. 0-60 times on a piece of paper might be similar or better for some crap Camaro/Vette, but these are a completely different consumer.

I'm not saying the M2/M2C/M2CS is the best car by any stretch, but I for one wouldn't take a free Mustang/Camaro/Vette if it was offered to me. I'm pretty sure that the dash of Barbie's pink Mustang is made of a higher quality plastic than an actual Mustang.

I agree that BMW purchasers don't necessarily cross-shop with Chevy or Ford. The primary reason is that BMW is a luxury marque, while Chevy and Ford are not...and they don't pretend to be. This is why Americans have pride in these two brands, for better or for worse. BMW will naturally have better processes and upscale materials to uphold their luxury image.

Another reason is that BMW owners would rather be "seen" in a BMW vs. a Chevy or Ford. That's fine, as owning a German luxury car exudes a level of sophistication and the "I've made it" mentality.

However, you drive a 2 series BMW, and complain about the interior quality of a ZL1, which is on par or even better than the M2. The M2's interior is no where the quality of an M3/M4, which is not even as good as a C63S or RS5.

I have driven the M2. I have driven the F80/F82. I have driven a ZL1. My previous car was a Porsche GT4. Prior to that I had an 2000 M Roadster and E92 M3. My brother's car is a 991 GTS which I have driven extensively. And just like many here, I have driven various performance cars of different brands throughout the years.

Bottom line, you calling a ZL1 1LE a cheap muscle car is a gross understatement. Maybe when the mid-engine Corvette (Zora?) comes out, you will be blinded by your preconceived notions as it blows by your precious F87.

There are Porsche GT3 owners that frequent the Camaro and Rennlist forums who also have ZL1 1LEs. If they are willing to purchase such a "cheap American muscle car" while owning one of the finest Porsche's out there, I can't understand why someone driving a 2 series would make an ignorant statement like yours.

This is not the 1980s or 90s my friend. The quality of American cars has improved. The Shelby GT350 R and ZL1 1LE are on another performance level than anything BMW currently makes. The GT350R has had some quality issues, but it is still one of the most sought after cars in the world. It's dealer up-charge is proof of that.

And it's too bad you said these things because the M2 is a wonderful car in it's own right.

And by the way, the running joke on BMW is you lease a Bimmer until the warranty is up, otherwise you will be paying out your ass for repair bills while it sits at the dealer.

[clee1982]

Originally Posted by F87_LCI

Agree with you 100% here.

Here is where you lose me a bit. I don't think many people (except in US maybe?) are cross shopping German performance/quality with American muscle/garbage. 0-60 times on a piece of paper might be similar or better for some crap Camaro/Vette, but these are a completely different consumer.

I'm not saying the M2/M2C/M2CS is the best car by any stretch, but I for one wouldn't take a free Mustang/Camaro/Vette if it was offered to me. I'm pretty sure that the dash of Barbie's pink Mustang is made of a higher quality plastic than an actual Mustang.

Well I drive a 540 now, if I want a toy car, Corvette would be high on the list (though only if I move out Manhattan...)

[SeanWRT]

I very much can relate to synergist on paint.

The paint alone makes the special edition. We really hope to see some better special color to be offered than the Misano blue.

A Laguna Seca blue revival would be epic, the SMB will do great too. Sakhir Orange is stunning just imagine. Of course the Farreri red would be the best red. Any one of those can nail it, but pretty much anything would be better than Misano blue.

A white/black/silver M2 CS will look a bit pedestrian for what it is, after all these years with M2. Like who would buy a YMB M4 CS?