[Powaup]

Originally Posted by CRtoE92

You saw a type R in so cal? Thought it was not released yet or it will even be although Honda said they will bring it finally to US?

I have a MW M4 if thats what you saw

Yea saw what looked to be a Civic type R, maybe it was a fake? But I was shocked as well. Now that I think back on it I really wish I would of taken some pictures

[Karmic Man]

People who have been tracking in the last 25 years will know that Front Wheel Drive + short wheel base + light weight cars used to run some of the best times on a short tight track in their class. Until AWD cars like the EVOs and STis came along they were king.

Their turn in is amazingly fast and can be driven to the limit every single step because they are easier to control then RWD cars. Their weakness is after the apex when powering out of a corner because the front wheels are both turning and putting power onto the ground at the same time, traction becomes an issue.

[M2PDX]

This has been a fascinating discussion. But................

Do any of us REALLY cross-shop BMW Ms and Honda Civics?

And do I care one iota whether the Civic Type R with front wheel drive is close to my M3's lap time?

Of course not.

Kudos to Honda for making the Civic. But I can't imagine buying one. I've driven front wheel drive cars. They are no where near as fun a a good old fashioned rear wheel drive car with a good old fashioned manual transmission!

I'll keep my M3. Better reputation. Inline 6. Better looking. Inline 6. Better practicality (4 door). Inline 6. More torque, more grunt, more fun!

Just my humble 2 cents!

[SeanWRT]

Originally Posted by BruceM

I'm surprised the M2 didn't top the others by greater margins, given other drives we've seen...

You shouldn't. Instead, you should be surprised M2 keep up A45's pace.

A45, despite of its understeer character, which is arguably boring, has incredible grip and demolishes a lot of things at track, including m235i. M235i doesn't have a very different chassis than M2.

[brava09]

Originally Posted by Powaup

Keep in mind the civic type R is NOT a car anyone in their right mind would daily drive


Lap time
7:50 2016 Honda Civic Type R Benchmark
7:50 BMW M3 CSL Tied
7:50 2009 Porsche 911 Carerra S Tied
7:52 Lamborghini Gallardo LP 560-4 Beat!
7:54 Mercedes CLK DTM AMG Beat!
7:54 Nissan GT-R Beat!
7:54 997 Porsche 911 Turbo Beat!
7:54 (.36) Renault Megane RS 275 Trophy-R Beat!
7:55 Caterham R500 Superlight Beat!
7:55 Ferrari F430 F1 Beat!
7:56 C5 Corvette Z06 Beat!
7:56 996 generation Porsche 911 Turbo Beat!
7:56 Porsche Panamera Turbo Beat!

http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2...t-around-the-n

Why not, the folks at Autocar have a Type R on long term test, and it looks like it is a very friendly DD car.

http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/ne...r-previous-gen

[Levente_CSL]

BMW M2 is in a totally different league then these shit cars. why would you even compare? Like even the design, its unbeleiveable how much more beautiful lines does the M2 have compared to the others. looks so much better

[DJ_M]

The first 10 seconds was all I needed to pick a winner

Not sure why they got a manual M2 versus the DCT A45 and Rs3....the results are interesting... enjoy guys!



[u2b]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TQYUsyD8Eg[/u2b]

[ilovewagons]

Filmed at the place where I did my first high performance driving event, many moons ago with VW.

[Paul-Bracq-BMW]

Thanks for the video! It proves that a well balanced RWD can still beat FWD biased AWD hot hatches! I bet it would have been a second faster with the dual clutch...

[Powaup]

Originally Posted by brava09

Why not, the folks at Autocar have a Type R on long term test, and it looks like it is a very friendly DD car.

http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/ne...r-previous-gen

ha! interesting read, I would have to drive one for myself in order to determine I guess. For reference I wouldn't daily drive a Cayman GT4

[vladberca]

Close result, but awd cars have a real advantage with the standing start.
Focus RS is so cheap in interior, I don't see why we keep seeing comments of it next to premium cars.
Maybe a Cayman S would have been more interesting to be added in the matrix as a sport car benchmark 😊

[B_Rice]

Those guys at Honda sure know what they're doing.

[technik330]

Originally Posted by vladberca

Close result, but awd cars have a real advantage with the standing start.
Focus RS is so cheap in interior, I don't see why we keep seeing comments of it next to premium cars.
Maybe a Cayman S would have been more interesting to be added in the matrix as a sport car benchmark ��

It's an argument of performance / $, that's all they're truly getting at in comparisons like this.

The CTR is $15k (or more) cheaper than all of the other cars, the lowest on power, FWD, a 6-speed and is was still well within the race.

Again, the CTR isn't there to exude a sense of class, but performance capability at a lesser price point.

So don't worry, no badges were injured during this event.

[BruceM]

Originally Posted by SeanWRT

You shouldn't. Instead, you should be surprised M2 keep up A45's pace.

A45, despite of its understeer character, which is arguably boring, has incredible grip and demolishes a lot of things at track, including m235i. M235i doesn't have a very different chassis than M2.

From an internet search, the CLA45 is 10-12 seconds slower than the M2 around Nurburgring. 8:10 to 7:58.

[lve2xlr8]

The Audi sounded great

[Robin_NL]

Originally Posted by SeanWRT

You shouldn't. Instead, you should be surprised M2 keep up A45's pace.

A45, despite of its understeer character, which is arguably boring, has incredible grip and demolishes a lot of things at track, including m235i. M235i doesn't have a very different chassis than M2.

Damn I just spilled some coffee on my screen and keyboard!
Are you sure about that?



Cheers
Robin

[brianeck]

The Audi sounds even better than my f80 m3 :/. WTF? Dont need active sound in that thing.

[tc328]

Originally Posted by PhoenixWolf

No bias at all. The BMW looks better than the rest also.

Well, the others are all hatches (shooting brakes).

From someone like me thats been driving bmw over a decade...the M2 is already looking old, IMO of course