Jonny Lieberman's High Praise of the M2 CS

windnsea00 · 02-08-2021, 06:58 PM

Quite flattering words by Jonny Lieberman today on the CS:

"This might be it!! Granted, I’ve only done a single drive in the BMW M2 CS, but... I’m having crazy thoughts! Chiefly, this might be the best driving BMW ever made. Like, ever. 444 horsepower means it’s fast. 0-60 times don’t matter when you’re in the canyons. 70-120 mph times do. This little thing just gets there in a hurry. And the suspension is SO GOOD. When you’re past the ton, lotsa cars, especially smaller ones, begin to feel sketchy. Or shaky. Not the M2 CS. Planted. However, that same suspension allows the car to rotate BEAUTIFULLY around corners. Masterful, actually. Killer, basically perfect brakes, too. And FIN. Such a fun car. I’m trying to think... maybe a Lotus Evora GT was as much fun? I found putting the engine in Sport Plus, the suspension and steering in Sport, the gearbox in S3 (I know the photo shows S2) to be the prize in the box. Also, turn everything off, because them Cup 2s is STICKY. I feel like I should be hedging my praise, but I’m so shocked and impressed and I just want to go on another drive!! What a great car! Things I don’t like? Burns through gas. Used half a tank from the Shell Station on Angeles Crest to @newcombs__ranch and back. I think a ZL1 Cramro does that. That’s about it. The internet will cry and rend its garments—why no manual lol!?—but the DCT is great. I’m sure the manual is good, too. Just haven’t driven it. Anyhow, WOW, and I’d like to see this up against a Porsche Carrera. Yeah, I said it."

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CarJunkie · 02-08-2021, 07:03 PM

Pretty high praise!

Davil · 02-08-2021, 08:04 PM

Oh good. Hopefully they will do something on motor trend channel with him & Jethro. I quite like them together.

sdhotwn · 02-08-2021, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Davil

Oh good. Hopefully they will do something on motor trend channel with him & Jethro. I quite like them together.

"There's only one way to find out!"

ScullyD · 02-08-2021, 08:14 PM

It's like the AutoTopNL guy said "you drive this car, you want it". To everyone else, it's a really over priced M2C :

windnsea00 · 02-08-2021, 08:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Davil

Oh good. Hopefully they will do something on motor trend channel with him & Jethro. I quite like them together.

Jethro went to Top Gear USA which is debuting soon.

Davil · 02-08-2021, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by windnsea00

Quote:

Originally Posted by Davil

Oh good. Hopefully they will do something on motor trend channel with him & Jethro. I quite like them together.

Jethro went to Top Gear USA which is debuting soon.

Yes but it's a Motor Trend show this time around. I just subscribed again thinking it was now showing but apparently it starts in US Spring. Argh.

JPMD · 02-08-2021, 08:32 PM

Very very high praise. This car is no fluke. Proud to be an owner.

MadBimmeRad · 02-09-2021, 01:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by windnsea00

Quite flattering words by Jonny Lieberman today on the CS:

"This might be it!! Granted, I’ve only done a single drive in the BMW M2 CS, but... I’m having crazy thoughts! Chiefly, this might be the best driving BMW ever made. Like, ever. 444 horsepower means it’s fast. 0-60 times don’t matter when you’re in the canyons. 70-120 mph times do. This little thing just gets there in a hurry. And the suspension is SO GOOD. When you’re past the ton, lotsa cars, especially smaller ones, begin to feel sketchy. Or shaky. Not the M2 CS. Planted. However, that same suspension allows the car to rotate BEAUTIFULLY around corners. Masterful, actually. Killer, basically perfect brakes, too. And FIN. Such a fun car. I’m trying to think... maybe a Lotus Evora GT was as much fun? I found putting the engine in Sport Plus, the suspension and steering in Sport, the gearbox in S3 (I know the photo shows S2) to be the prize in the box. Also, turn everything off, because them Cup 2s is STICKY. I feel like I should be hedging my praise, but I’m so shocked and impressed and I just want to go on another drive!! What a great car! Things I don’t like? Burns through gas. Used half a tank from the Shell Station on Angeles Crest to @newcombs__ranch and back. I think a ZL1 Cramro does that. That’s about it. The internet will cry and rend its garments—why no manual lol!?—but the DCT is great. I’m sure the manual is good, too. Just haven’t driven it. Anyhow, WOW, and I’d like to see this up against a Porsche Carrera. Yeah, I said it."

Excellent read, thank you for sharing

Davil · 02-09-2021, 02:59 AM

P.S., if you are subscriber to motor trend that Chris Hoy show is great.

Jimjamz · 02-09-2021, 06:35 AM

Best BMW of all time...

I'm with him on Sports Plus engine and sports steering. Though still driving D2 and comfort on suspension (both settings I notice Henry Catchpole thinks are the car's sweet-spot). It will be good to try these higher settings and see if they sing.

I'm increasingly impressed how this car seems to push the driver to max it in every dimension.

Only 600 miles to go until I can rev out to redline. I suspect at that point this car will become legendary. It's already stunning at 5k.

CarJunkie · 02-09-2021, 08:49 AM

I am also using D2. It shifts exactly when I would myself, and I don't need to worry about accidentally exceeding 5500rpm. I am looking forward to playing with D3 more after break-in, but honestly expect to use S3 when really playing. Sport throttle, comfort steering and suspension, D2 are my everyday default, programmed into M1.

Hedoniste · 02-10-2021, 11:06 AM

More stories about his thoughts:

sdhotwn · 02-10-2021, 12:02 PM

His "bargain" comment may give strokes to a few people on here given all the past arguments about the markup...

btw.. what platform are those stories coming off of?

killerdeck · 02-10-2021, 12:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sdhotwn

His "bargain" comment may give strokes to a few people on here given all the past arguments about the markup...

btw.. what platform are those stories coming off of?

Yeah, probably true, but when you fail to accept the reality of the actual cost, warranty, install, and total additional benefits of the CS package, there is no reasoning with them.

It is refreshing to see some journalists actually took the time to understand all of the sum of the parts.

Hedoniste · 02-10-2021, 12:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sdhotwn

His "bargain" comment may give strokes to a few people on here given all the past arguments about the markup...

btw.. what platform are those stories coming off of?

Instagram : https://instagram.com/stories/jonnyl...d=sjebdd469i1u

sdhotwn · 02-10-2021, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Hedoniste

Instagram : https://instagram.com/stories/jonnyl...d=sjebdd469i1u

haven't been an instagram user, and wasn't seeing the comments show up like that, so I wasn't sure how the posts were coming about. thanks for clarifying.

AxM2CS · 02-10-2021, 01:30 PM

We have a fan in JL. Love it

MadBimmeRad · 02-10-2021, 06:31 PM

Is it me, or is there a pedal missing there somewhere?

msmatt · 02-13-2021, 11:59 AM

This was a great write up by Johnny. While I appreciate 3 pedals, these turbo motors are better suited to the DCT and this will likely be the last DCT available in an M car. Can’t go wrong either way.

windnsea00 · 02-13-2021, 12:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by msmatt

This was a great write up by Johnny. While I appreciate 3 pedals, these turbo motors are better suited to the DCT and this will likely be the last DCT available in an M car. Can’t go wrong either way.

Objectively I agree, DCT and the S55 are like a freight train that never stops. But I still had to have a manual

Hedoniste · 02-13-2021, 12:08 PM

He added new feedback today:

02-08-2021, 06:58 PM	#1
windnsea00 Lieutenant 447 Rep 447 Posts Drives: M2 CS Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Los Angeles, CA iTrader: (0)	Jonny Lieberman's High Praise of the M2 CS Quite flattering words by Jonny Lieberman today on the CS: "This might be it!! Granted, I’ve only done a single drive in the BMW M2 CS, but... I’m having crazy thoughts! Chiefly, this might be the best driving BMW ever made. Like, ever. 444 horsepower means it’s fast. 0-60 times don’t matter when you’re in the canyons. 70-120 mph times do. This little thing just gets there in a hurry. And the suspension is SO GOOD. When you’re past the ton, lotsa cars, especially smaller ones, begin to feel sketchy. Or shaky. Not the M2 CS. Planted. However, that same suspension allows the car to rotate BEAUTIFULLY around corners. Masterful, actually. Killer, basically perfect brakes, too. And FIN. Such a fun car. I’m trying to think... maybe a Lotus Evora GT was as much fun? I found putting the engine in Sport Plus, the suspension and steering in Sport, the gearbox in S3 (I know the photo shows S2) to be the prize in the box. Also, turn everything off, because them Cup 2s is STICKY. I feel like I should be hedging my praise, but I’m so shocked and impressed and I just want to go on another drive!! What a great car! Things I don’t like? Burns through gas. Used half a tank from the Shell Station on Angeles Crest to @newcombs__ranch and back. I think a ZL1 Cramro does that. That’s about it. The internet will cry and rend its garments—why no manual lol!?—but the DCT is great. I’m sure the manual is good, too. Just haven’t driven it. Anyhow, WOW, and I’d like to see this up against a Porsche Carrera. Yeah, I said it." Pics: __________________ 2020 M2 CS AW 6-spd Previous M Cars: M2C, M2, F80 M3, E46 M3, Z3M Coupe, E36 M3...and some other fun rides.
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Davil Brigadier General 6523 Rep 3,069 Posts Drives: M2 CS, 18 Vantage AMR, 00 WRX Join Date: Jul 2018 Location: Australia iTrader: (0) Garage List 2018 Aston Martin V ... [8.33] 2021 BMW M2 CS F87 [9.87] 2000 Subaru WRX GC8 [7.75]	Oh good. Hopefully they will do something on motor trend channel with him & Jethro. I quite like them together.
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msmatt Second Lieutenant 331 Rep 195 Posts Drives: E90 M3 Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: SoCal iTrader: (0)	This was a great write up by Johnny. While I appreciate 3 pedals, these turbo motors are better suited to the DCT and this will likely be the last DCT available in an M car. Can’t go wrong either way. __________________ 18 F80 M3 - Tanzanite 20 F87 M2CS - Misano M2 CS Video on YouTube
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