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      01-04-2020, 01:46 AM   #1123
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Starting to come back to me now. Vaguely remember this, but for some reason recalled it the other way around. Thought the M2C was in development alongside the M2 and the M2 CS was only rumored as a long shot. The only reason I can think for the G87 to get the S58 is that the highest B58 output that I'm currently aware of only puts out 382-hp. I'm sure they can do some work to bump that up like they did with the OG M2's N55, but not sure it will reliably get to at least the same power output as M2C without major upgrades to the B58. At that point it would make more sense IMO to just put in a detuned S58 than try to engineer another B58 variant.
It's going to be rough if the g87 with b58 isn't more powerful than the m2c detuned s55.
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Price in Canada for an M2CS $97,750. Can I get my refund please!
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Price in Canada for an M2CS $97,750. Can I get my refund please!
That seems pretty good when you look at the exchange rate between Canada and US.
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Price in Canada for an M2CS $97,750. Can I get my refund please!
That seems pretty good when you look at the exchange rate between Canada and US.
With freight and PDI, it's just over 100k

My dealer sent me all the same info last night.

Unfortunately my dealer charges like 3k for freight and PDI. Then we'll have wheel/tire insurance for $1500, metallic paint 895, alcantara steering wheel 600. Where I live, we have 12% tax on top of all that too (pretty standard here except AB).

IF I spec one, it would be manual, black, gold wheels, alcantara steering wheel.
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Just found out for Canada $97,750. Ouch!
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It's going to be rough if the g87 with b58 isn't more powerful than the m2c detuned s55.
Not to mention a lower redline, from 7500 (S55) to 7000 (B58)

Heat dissipation issue aside, they will have to lower the compression ratio (11.0:1) of the B58 to increase boost + bigger turbo to meet the power goal. Max rpm will still be at 7000 rpm The S58 with a larger bore and shorter stroke than the B58 can only manage a 7200 rpm.
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      01-04-2020, 10:44 AM   #1129
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With freight and PDI, it's just over 100k

My dealer sent me all the same info last night.

Unfortunately my dealer charges like 3k for freight and PDI. Then we'll have wheel/tire insurance for $1500, metallic paint 895, alcantara steering wheel 600.
Just spoke to my guy this morning and also got the following questions answered:

i) what exhaust comes with the car (if not MPE, is it available?)

Redesigned Dual-Branch Exhaust System unique to M2 CS.

ii) does the exhaust for the Canadian model contain the particulate filters that are mandatory in Europe?

Don’t have these details yet

iiii) what is the CAD MSRP on the CS?

$97750

For those that want to know the math - At current FX rates, this is USD $74,806 - about a 10.5% savings from buying in the US and I would guess the relative "cheapest" this car can be found anywhere??

iv) do you know how many of these cars will be delivered to Canada?

200-300 Canada wide. 2200 world wide.

v) is it possible to do a European delivery on this car?

Yes you can do a European delivery

vi) are you able to confirm that the next generation of M2 ( G87?) will be produced in Mexico alongside the regular G-series 2xx models?

M product will never be manufactured in Mexico. (- not sure I believe this one)

vii) is there any chance to get a colour other than what the 4 that are offered, and if so, what would that cost?

Only the 4 colors available.

NOTE: Info below is for the CANADIAN model:

I can also confirm that the following options (from M2C) have been removed on the CS:
2QT 788M wheels
248 Heated Steering Wheel
322 Comfort Access - this one annoys me..how much can this possibly weigh?
465 Through Loading System
488 Lumbar support

These are the confirmed added standard options over the M2C:
+39hp - CS "Tune"
M2CS specific Exterior CF (splitter, hood, roof, rear diff, lip spoiler, mirror caps)
M2CS specific interior (merino/alcantara seats w/red stitching, CF centre console)
1TN 763M Black wheels
2VF Adaptive M Suspension
40C Carbon Roof
4WU CS trim
674 Harmon Kardon Sound System
7ME M driver's package
8TH Speed Limit Info
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Well that’s crazy we should all buy them in Canada instead!
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With freight and PDI, it's just over 100k

My dealer sent me all the same info last night.

Unfortunately my dealer charges like 3k for freight and PDI. Then we'll have wheel/tire insurance for $1500, metallic paint 895, alcantara steering wheel 600. Where I live, we have 12% tax on top of all that too (pretty standard here except AB).

IF I spec one, it would be manual, black, gold wheels, alcantara steering wheel.
I'm normally not a wheel and tire insurance person, but I believe it will be a good idea with the gold wheels. The paint may be tough to match if correction is needed. I pay $150 a pop at the jag dealer every time I need a paint repair.
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Just spoke to my guy this morning and also got the following questions answered:

i) what exhaust comes with the car (if not MPE, is it available?)

Redesigned Dual-Branch Exhaust System unique to M2 CS.

ii) does the exhaust for the Canadian model contain the particulate filters that are mandatory in Europe?

Don’t have these details yet

iiii) what is the CAD MSRP on the CS?

$97750

For those that want to know the math - At current FX rates, this is USD $74,806 - about a 10.5% savings from buying in the US and I would guess the relative "cheapest" this car can be found anywhere??

iv) do you know how many of these cars will be delivered to Canada?

200-300 Canada wide. 2200 world wide.

v) is it possible to do a European delivery on this car?

Yes you can do a European delivery

vi) are you able to confirm that the next generation of M2 ( G87?) will be produced in Mexico alongside the regular G-series 2xx models?

M product will never be manufactured in Mexico. (- not sure I believe this one)

vii) is there any chance to get a colour other than what the 4 that are offered, and if so, what would that cost?

Only the 4 colors available.

NOTE: Info below is for the CANADIAN model:

I can also confirm that the following options (from M2C) have been removed on the CS:
2QT 788M wheels
248 Heated Steering Wheel
322 Comfort Access - this one annoys me..how much can this possibly weigh?
465 Through Loading System
488 Lumbar support

These are the confirmed added standard options over the M2C:
+39hp - CS "Tune"
M2CS specific Exterior CF (splitter, hood, roof, rear diff, lip spoiler, mirror caps)
M2CS specific interior (merino/alcantara seats w/red stitching, CF centre console)
1TN 763M Black wheels
2VF Adaptive M Suspension
40C Carbon Roof
4WU CS trim
674 Harmon Kardon Sound System
7ME M driver's package
8TH Speed Limit Info

Thanks for the info.

Don’t you have a deposit for one?That is disappointing that there is no comfort access.I wouldn’t like not having that feature.

Hopefully your guy is correct about the G87 still being made in Germany.
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      01-04-2020, 11:26 AM   #1133
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With freight and PDI, it's just over 100k

My dealer sent me all the same info last night.

Unfortunately my dealer charges like 3k for freight and PDI. Then we'll have wheel/tire insurance for $1500, metallic paint 895, alcantara steering wheel 600. Where I live, we have 12% tax on top of all that too (pretty standard here except AB).

IF I spec one, it would be manual, black, gold wheels, alcantara steering wheel.
I'm normally not a wheel and tire insurance person, but I believe it will be a good idea with the gold wheels. The paint may be tough to match if correction is needed. I pay $150 a pop at the jag dealer every time I need a paint repair.
I get it on every car.

With the cost of tires in Canada compared to the US, it takes 2 tires generally to pay for itself.

A set of Cup 2s here is like 2k plus mounting and balancing, so at least for 4 years we're covered from pretty much anything.

My wife has been through 7 tires on her X4, all covered.
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      01-04-2020, 11:27 AM   #1134
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Yes, I'm a bit confused by the pricing. However, I guess it's no different than what folks in Europe experience.

I just checked the M2c US vs CAN price, and it appears to be similar difference.
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Hopefully your guy is correct about the G87 still being made in Germany.
The X3, X4, X5, X6 M cars are all made in the United States, it's not that far-fetched that the next entry-level M car will be built in Mexico.

We see an M car as something special, to BMW AG, it's just another commodity and if they can save a buck producing it, they most certainly will.

There is no "heritage", it's all moving units and protecting their bottom line, regardless of what the marketing material otherwise colorfully states.

Don't get me wrong, there is not immoral for a company to move its production to a place where it will create higher profits - it is actually logical to do so. Doesn't mean we have to like it.

Below is a G20 shell, BMW's bread-and-butter model, at the plant in Mexico. That should be an omen:
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Thanks for the info.

Don’t you have a deposit for one?
I have had my deposit down since the speculation on this model came out over a year ago and this is why he called me today. I have been asked to head into the dealership this week to spec out my CS allocation. Problem is, while waiting on this car I was able to secure a 718 GT4 allocation; also have a deposit and spec sheet in with local Porsche dealer, so looks like I have a decision to make as I wan't sure I would get either allocation, never mind a shot at both.

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That is disappointing that there is no comfort access.I wouldn’t like not having that feature.
Agreed.
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It's going to be rough if the g87 with b58 isn't more powerful than the m2c detuned s55.
Not to mention a lower redline, from 7500 (S55) to 7000 (B58)

Heat dissipation issue aside, they will have to lower the compression ratio (11.0:1) of the B58 to increase boost + bigger turbo to meet the power goal. Max rpm will still be at 7000 rpm The S58 with a larger bore and shorter stroke than the B58 can only manage a 7200 rpm.
I think the the redline is more to do with the zf auto transmission?
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No comfort access kinda stinks, but its likely done for security on a low production car. I still drive a vehicle that requires me to unlock with a fob. No big deal. Still have to put the key in the ignition switch too, but I manage, and don't feel overly miffed by it.
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It's going to be rough if the g87 with b58 isn't more powerful than the m2c detuned s55.
Not to mention a lower redline, from 7500 (S55) to 7000 (B58)

Heat dissipation issue aside, they will have to lower the compression ratio (11.0:1) of the B58 to increase boost + bigger turbo to meet the power goal. Max rpm will still be at 7000 rpm The S58 with a larger bore and shorter stroke than the B58 can only manage a 7200 rpm.
I think the the redline is more to do with the zf auto transmission?
The next generation M2 (G) is going to have a variation of the B58, not because BMW hates us but to keep the cost keep it within realm of being attainable to their target demographic.

The X3M base with a S58 starts at $70,000, there is no way the G87 is going to have a S58 and still hover around 60k.

BMW didn't have any predilections when they put the N55 in the original M2, even though it wasn't an "S" engine, so a high-output B58 will more than likely follow suit.

Not that there is anything wrong with that motor; the B58TU is a monster in the M340i, I mean like really fast.

If you want an "S" engine, you're going to have to step your game up and shoot for a G82 M4.
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I can also confirm that the following options (from M2C) have been removed on the CS:
322 Comfort Access - this one annoys me..how much can this possibly weigh?
Next to nothing. In the E90 3-series section of the forum, there is a thread on installing CA into a non-CA car. You're just looking at bit of wiring and the module (and door handle replacement but those weight the same), so at most 1 or 1.5 lbs? It's ridiculous they eliminate CA on the M3/M4/M2 CS.
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I can also confirm that the following options (from M2C) have been removed on the CS:
322 Comfort Access - this one annoys me..how much can this possibly weigh?
there is a thread on installing CA into a non-CA car.

Keep in mind, only aftermarket retrofit options are available, none "factory" and you absolutely have to leave one of the key fobs buried inside the vehicle.

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It's going to be rough if the g87 with b58 isn't more powerful than the m2c detuned s55.
Why would that matter? The G87 M2 need only be a better performer than the F87 M2. The G87 Comp will need to outperform the F87 Comp..
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I can also confirm that the following options (from M2C) have been removed on the CS:
2QT 788M wheels
248 Heated Steering Wheel
322 Comfort Access - this one annoys me..how much can this possibly weigh?
465 Through Loading System
488 Lumbar support
For a quick list of features available on the M2 Competition which ain't available on the M2 CS: see here.
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Why would BMW remove the lane departure and collision / pedestrian safety feature?

Also, I'm confused with the previous post. It says there is no pass through in the rear seats and backseats don't fold down anymore? I thought people who were at the Belgium preview said it did fold down?

Overall, seems a little compromised on all the good stuff in terms of comfort. Really disappointed with this and really making me rethink the M2C...why can't we have all the Comp features plus the CS?! (Don't give me the weight saving argument, as we all know it's not an outright track car)
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