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      04-16-2019, 05:59 PM   #573
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so how does it feel that the CS version everyone ran out and bought is not really the CS version?
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so how does it feel that the CS version everyone ran out and bought is not really the CS version?
Yeah, no one has bought a CS version....
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Yeah, no one has bought a CS version....
I believe he's making a derogatory comment about the M2Comp, but I might be wrong.



The OG M2 and M2C are great cars, not sure why each conversation must degrade into an endless and fruitless comparison of the two...they're obviously very, very similar machines.
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so how does it feel that the CS version everyone ran out and bought is not really the CS version?
Not too bad since the MSRP was less than $5,000 more than the M2 for a lot of upgrades.
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Not too bad since the MSRP was less than $5,000 more than the M2 for a lot of upgrades.
Exactly, also considering the CS will most likely at minimum carry a 40%+ charge.

I am still surprised the Comp only got an 8% price increase.
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      04-17-2019, 02:27 PM   #579
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Not too bad since the MSRP was less than $5,000 more than the M2 for a lot of upgrades.
+1, I would have paid 5K for the engine upgrade alone.
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so how does it feel that the CS version everyone ran out and bought is not really the CS version?
Well depending on the price of the CS, the Comp may end up being the sweet spot of the M2 range
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      04-17-2019, 02:59 PM   #581
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so how does it feel that the CS version everyone ran out and bought is not really the CS version?
Feels great. Everything I would've upgraded on the OG M2 (that held me back from buying it) came standard as it should've been from the beginning.

Then BMW decided to throw in an extra 40HP/40TQ from an actual M designed engine.

And for shits and giggles, they even refreshed the styling yet again like a LCI to the LCI, making it look like the brand new generation of BMWs and thus keeping it looking newer that much longer.

All for just $5,000. I don't think BMW will do something so drastic to a car ever again for so little, M2C owners are truly lucky.
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+1, I would have paid 5K for the engine upgrade alone.
Feel free to thank the EU: though the M2C is more quiet and sings a different song than the OG M2 because of tightened EU emissions regulations, the M2C was priced not as expensive as most expected for the invasive automotive surgery (especially the N55 engine to S55 engine swap with 40hp power bump).

From a Spring 2018 DriveTribe interview by forum fellow MR. with former BMW M boss Frank van Meel (source: here):
  • Q: Why opt for the S55 engine and introduce such a massive change to the key character of the M2 ?
  • A: During the development of the M2 Competition, we faced a major challenge with regards to the N55 engine due to a number of reasons. First of all, we felt we pushed the engine performance to its limits. 370 horsepower is a great number, but we wanted more. Secondly, we needed changes to meet the new European emissions standards, and so a business decision was made to move to the S55 engine and develop a brand new exhaust system for the M2 Competition which includes the same particulate filter as on the M4.
  • ​Q: Would you have kept the base M2 available for sale, if the WLTP would not have played any role in the decision making process ?
  • A: Yes, the production of the M2 LCI would not come to an end this summer [2018] if the WLTP did not play a role. We would have continued the M2 next to the M2 Competition and both cars would have been built alongside each other at the factory in Leipzig, Germany.
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Feel free to thank the EU: though the M2C is more quiet and sings a different song than the OG M2 because of tightened EU emissions regulations, the M2C was priced not as expensive as most expected for the invasive automotive surgery (especially the N55 engine to S55 engine swap with 40hp power bump).

From a Spring 2018 DriveTribe interview by forum fellow MR. with former BMW M boss Frank van Meel (source: here):
  • Q: Why opt for the S55 engine and introduce such a massive change to the key character of the M2 ?
  • A: During the development of the M2 Competition, we faced a major challenge with regards to the N55 engine due to a number of reasons. First of all, we felt we pushed the engine performance to its limits. 370 horsepower is a great number, but we wanted more. Secondly, we needed changes to meet the new European emissions standards, and so a business decision was made to move to the S55 engine and develop a brand new exhaust system for the M2 Competition which includes the same particulate filter as on the M4.
  • ​Q: Would you have kept the base M2 available for sale, if the WLTP would not have played any role in the decision making process ?
  • A: Yes, the production of the M2 LCI would not come to an end this summer [2018] if the WLTP did not play a role. We would have continued the M2 next to the M2 Competition and both cars would have been built alongside each other at the factory in Leipzig, Germany.
That's encouraging for everyone. Sounds like there is no reason for the M2C to end production, which will keep the CS numbers limited due to production constraints. It's really a win win for those that want an M2 and those that can afford a CS.
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What I want to know is if it is likely the CS will have a Li-ion battery. That seems like that would be an easy obvious upgrade.
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so how does it feel that the CS version everyone ran out and bought is not really the CS version?
They bought a Comp version, the CS version has not yet been released. I'm betting most Comp owners would rather have the Comp now than wait for the CS and pay the premium for it.
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so how does it feel that the CS version everyone ran out and bought is not really the CS version?
They bought a Comp version, the CS version has not yet been released. I'm betting most Comp owners would rather have the Comp now than wait for the CS and pay the premium for it.
Not to mention one unfortunate side affect of all CS models is that they're closer to end of production and are dated the moment the new generation is released. Although this go around, the new kidney grills should keep it looking fresh longer.
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so how does it feel that the CS version everyone ran out and bought is not really the CS version?
They bought a Comp version, the CS version has not yet been released. I'm betting most Comp owners would rather have the Comp now than wait for the CS and pay the premium for it.
Not to mention one unfortunate side affect of all CS models is that they're closer to end of production and are dated the moment the new generation is released. Although this go around, the new kidney grills should keep it looking fresh longer.
I know what you mean; the E92 M3 was the sweetest looking M car and most lusted, right up until late 2013 when its replacement, the F82 M4 was unveiled.

The demand and interest instantly dropped and so did its value.

They even had a GTS and Competition version of the E92 M3, that is not really even spoke off today.

It's just when the new model is released, by design, it overshadows its predecessor.

So I can see this happening to the M2 CS, depending how well the next generation G series M2 is received and spec-ed.
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What I want to know is if it is likely the CS will have a Li-ion battery. That seems like that would be an easy obvious upgrade.
I think that it would given how much, as a percentage of overall weight, just the Li battery would save (30 lbs). It does add a lot in cost, so not sure how that stacks up in their cost vs weight savings matrix.

At MSRP value, the cost difference is $1556 for the Li battery versus $245 for the AGM battery giving $1311 more for the Li, so the Li is 6.4 times more expensive. One would assume that the actual car MSRP would not inflate as much as replacement cost difference, but they (bean counters) likely have a mostly fixed ratio of manufacturing cost to MSRP change. In any event, it wouldn't be surprising to see the Li battery add roughly $800 to the MSRP alone. Hence for 30lbs savings, it's probably going to be viewed as a definite.

F8x owners are sometimes shocked when dealers quote them ~$2000 for a battery replacement (typical dealer markup on part above MSRP then add labor, supplies and tax).
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so how does it feel that the CS version everyone ran out and bought is not really the CS version?
They bought a Comp version, the CS version has not yet been released. I'm betting most Comp owners would rather have the Comp now than wait for the CS and pay the premium for it.
Not to mention one unfortunate side affect of all CS models is that they're closer to end of production and are dated the moment the new generation is released. Although this go around, the new kidney grills should keep it looking fresh longer.
I know what you mean; the E92 M3 was the sweetest looking M car and most lusted, right up until late 2013 when its replacement, the F82 M4 was unveiled.

The demand and interest instantly dropped and so did its value.

They even had a GTS and Competition version of the E92 M3, that is not really even spoke off today.

It's just when the new model is released, by design, it overshadows its predecessor.

So I can see this happening to the M2 CS, depending how well the next generation G series M2 is received and spec-ed.
Honestly it was a tiny factor for me even with the M2C, the F87 is basically in the last third of its lifecycle and in 3 years, the new generation will make this one look dated. Hopefully though, as I said the thing that may help it a bit is the new styling cues of the M2C which were like an LCI to the LCI of 2018.
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Honestly it was a tiny factor for me even with the M2C, the F87 is basically in the last third of its lifecycle and in 3 years, the new generation will make this one look dated. Hopefully though, as I said the thing that may help it a bit is the new styling cues of the M2C which were like an LCI to the LCI of 2018.
G87 M2 is to start production end of 2022(12/2022 - 03/2029, likely in Mexico). So at earliest cars will be at dealers early 2023. We are talking almost 4 years from now. That is plenty of time to enjoy your F87 and then upgrade to the new car.
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Hi guys

I have been waiting for sometime for the cs and the more days pass, the more i think about what will be diferent and worth it over the competition. At the end of the day itīs the same car with diferent seats a bit more power and wheels.
So will it be more nimble? much faster?

Somedays think about going to my SA and buy the m2c that itīs there sitting and save a few €. When the CS hit the market, so does the gt4 and the new M3 on the horizon, what seems to be a easy choice... itīs not anymore.

Itīs all down to the price, if itīs near the gt4.. donīt know if people still want...i still donīt know.

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Hi guys

I have been waiting for sometime for the cs and the more days pass, the more i think about what will be diferent and worth it over the competition. At the end of the day it´s the same car with diferent seats a bit more power and wheels.
So will it be more nimble? much faster?

Somedays think about going to my SA and buy the m2c that it´s there sitting and save a few €. When the CS hit the market, so does the gt4 and the new M3 on the horizon, what seems to be a easy choice... it´s not anymore.

It´s all down to the price, if it´s near the gt4.. don´t know if people still want...i still don´t know.

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I guess we all look at the M3 changes to see what the CS brings....although the CF roof is a little bonus just for the M2
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Just curious since the announcement of the specs and colours some time ago. Any photshops of Misano Blue M2s out there. I could not see anything.
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I guess we all look at the M3 changes to see what the CS brings....although the CF roof is a little bonus just for the M2
I'm just wondering if the CF roof will be an option on the M2C when the CS hits. Probably not.

I also wonder if they will phase out Long Beach Blue and Sunset Orange when the CS hits for the new Misano Blue?
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