[Gorro47]

i wanted to change my m2c for this cs but just can´t justify for what it is. at least put the door straps and the carbon fenders on the front wheels as well...
Think it could be a bit more for that price.

At least we still have ours m2c to get side ways.

Best regards

[VisualEcho]

Originally Posted by Hankdoll

Odd statement. The Z3 & Z4 is a sports car by your own definition.

Until you factor in the weight. I mean, Sports Cars are normally 2200 to 2900 lbs. What is the Fat Cat Z3/Z4? It's way too posh to be a Sports Car. It might meet most of the criteria, but it's honestly too heavy. But sure, call it a Sports Car.

[Bimmercis]

Some pictures from the preview event in Brussels yesterday evening. As mentioned only from the ground floor, no photos were allowed on the 1st floor where the CS was.

[Yvette]

only if SMB.....

[CSanto]

Originally Posted by Fenerbahce

While that makes sense to a degree, the M2CS and 1M are not the same thing. The 1M was a huge step above the 135 with it's fenders, suspension, steering, brakes, wheels, etc. Many of these parts were not available through the M performance catalog, and they made the car not only look drastically different, but drive/feel substantially different. In addition, for everything you got, it was a minimal up charge vs a 135i at the time. Combined with extremely low volume, it's obvious why 1M's have retained so much value in relation to their original MSRP (regardless of how good or bad they were).
All information thus far seems to suggest the M2CS incremental change over the M2C will be less, while the price jump will be more (in comparison to 135i vs 1M). The M2CS will be an awesome car, but there is never a guarantee on what a car will "trade at" in the future. Having said that, I tend to believe the M2CS will do very well in terms of resale value.

I do like that point, and will admit I didn't think of it that way. the 1 series had no M Model before the 1M.
While the M2CS is only marginally above the M2C

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by medphysdave

I agree with this to a high degree, but as a moderator of this forum, I would expect a little more give on the blatantly subjective items.
Is it worth? Would you buy it? Did you put down a deposit? Answering questions like that doesn't disclose any information about what was seen. Is there more at stake here than meets the eye???

Originally Posted by Benzima

Are you going to consider the M2CS based on what you saw?

Honest personal answer: last year a high energy impact (unrelated to my M2) causing 'Schatzker Type VI' leg injuries (see here) and some other broken body parts, abruptly stopped me in my tracks (motorcycle accident). Any minor world that breaks apart falls together again. That much is true. But the painstakingly slow recovery offered plenty of time & food for thought. Although nothing is set in stone and one can always change his mind, to date I still consider that unfortunate event literary a 'dealbreaker' for me to order high performance cars in the near future + I may eventually part ways with my 6MT M2 in a not so distant future.

And without that experience, picture this: it's the 80s, you are inside an amusement park having fun in front of a Sega arcade machine with "Game Over - Please insert coins for extended play" popping up on the screen + a 10-second timer counting down. You got definitely enough coins inside your pocket but you decide to leave once the high score table pops up with the cursor blinking to allow you to fill in your nickname.

[Hegge]

Originally Posted by lax01

Successful because it was cheap
Suspension, steering, wheels, brakes were from the M3 - I thought they even re-used body panels on the 1 series chassis.... either way, it was a parts bin car but yes, it was cheap and the M2CS is not.
lol have you seen the prototypes? It looks bigger than the current 5 series - its ridiculous
Why can't BMW make a 3000 lb sports car...I do NOT get it

Keep in mind the new Cayman GT4 is about 3,200 pounds. New 911 s is about 3,400 pounds. Everything weighs more these days.

[Hegge]

Originally Posted by lax01

Successful because it was cheap
Suspension, steering, wheels, brakes were from the M3 - I thought they even re-used body panels on the 1 series chassis.... either way, it was a parts bin car but yes, it was cheap and the M2CS is not.
lol have you seen the prototypes? It looks bigger than the current 5 series - its ridiculous
Why can't BMW make a 3000 lb sports car...I do NOT get it

I agree next-generation M3 is huge with terrible grille.

[KevM2]

This will still have the same S55 engine right?

[medphysdave]

Originally Posted by Artemis

Honest personal answer: last year a high energy impact (unrelated to my M2) causing 'Schatzker Type VI' leg injuries (see here) and some other broken body parts, abruptly stopped me in my tracks. Any minor world that breaks apart falls together again. That much is true. But the painstakingly slow recovery offered plenty of time & food for thought. Although nothing is set in stone and one can always change his mind, to date I still consider that unfortunate event literary a 'dealbreaker' for me to order high performance cars in the near future + I may eventually part ways with my 6MT M2 in a not so distant future.
And without that experience, picture this: it's the 80s, you are inside an amusement park having fun in front of a Sega arcade machine with "Game Over - Please insert coins for extended play" popping up on the screen + a 10-second timer counting down. You got definitely enough coins inside your pocket but you decide to leave once the high score table pops up with the cursor blinking to allow you to fill in your nickname.
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I appreciate the perspective.

[chris719]

Originally Posted by Thescout13

I mean I get why you are annoyed, but clearly you aren't BMWs intended customer for this car. And at 2200 worldwide units, I don't think they give a shit.

Actually, I am their intended customer for this car... and this car will barely performs better than the M2C so there is zero justification for removing features that don't even affect performance. This is a CS model, not a GTS/CSL. It has rear seats, it doesn't have a roll cage.

I was just on the track last week saying, damn, if only I didn't have dual zone climate control I'd be even faster.

[Tag]

Originally Posted by Artemis

Honest personal answer: last year a high energy impact (unrelated to my M2) causing 'Schatzker Type VI' leg injuries (see here) and some other broken body parts, abruptly stopped me in my tracks. Any minor world that breaks apart falls together again. That much is true. But the painstakingly slow recovery offered plenty of time & food for thought. Although nothing is set in stone and one can always change his mind, to date I still consider that unfortunate event literary a 'dealbreaker' for me to order high performance cars in the near future + I may eventually part ways with my 6MT M2 in a not so distant future.
And without that experience, picture this: it's the 80s, you are inside an amusement park having fun in front of a Sega arcade machine with "Game Over - Please insert coins for extended play" popping up on the screen + a 10-second timer counting down. You got definitely enough coins inside your pocket but you decide to leave once the high score table pops up with the cursor blinking to allow you to fill in your nickname.
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Everyone runs into a personal battle sooner or later; wishing you the best. Hope you find a new game to use the rest of those coins on.

[Poochie]

I hope the exhaust is like the M3/M4 CS, which beside the GTS is best sounding of the S55 offering, in my humble opinion.

Forward to 4:00:

[2020M2Competition]

Originally Posted by Poochie

I've been holding out for an M2 with Adaptive Suspension

Same here

Would be nice to know if Adaptive Suspension will be exclusive to the M2CS or if it will become available on the M2C in the near future

[Bimmed Out]

Originally Posted by as7920

Anything wrong with the current gen F80 M3 CS?

It's missing a pedal.

[Poochie]

Originally Posted by VTBoss302

Same here

Would be nice to know if Adaptive Suspension will be exclusive to the M2CS or if it will become available on the M2C in the near future

I doubt it; all four Adaptive struts alone cost more than a $1,000, per side, which is more than double the price of the static dampers. Not to mention all the ancillary electronics and tuning needed to get it running.

To keep the price in check and maintain the exclusively of the CS, It would unfortunately never trickle down to the M2C, for at least this generation.

[VisualEcho]

Originally Posted by kepler

Note to self: Do not consult VisualEcho when buying your next sports car.

I just use the classic definition. It's a way to separate the intent of a car because most people just use "Sports Car" as a general term. To many a Camaro is a Sports Car, and so is an M2, but neither really are.

[nomoracin]

I don't understand how there's no weight savings. Haha

[arciga18]

Who remembers the headlights?

Do they look like this :

[M-Azing]

Originally Posted by dgm3

M2 CS details from the private preview event held in Belgium yesterday:

• 450 hp
• Manual gear box, DKG optional
• Adaptive suspension
• Red caliper sport brakes, carbon ceramic optional
• 763 M wheel gold or black, regular or sport cup tires,no change in tire size
• Carbon fiber parts: hood, roof, outside mirrors, trunk lip, front spoiler lip, rear diffuser, central console, door handle
• Chrome m2 cs badge on the trunk
• Alcantara on side of the seats and doors like on the M2C, additional alcantara on top of the central console and on the dash board (ipo of the regular or carbon trim). CS embroied on the alcantara dashboard trim
• Alcantara steering wheel optional
• M4 Competition seats with red stitching and I believe Merino leather (for sure not Dakota). Dashboard and top door panel remain same than on the M2C and therefore imo do not blend well with the finer grain leather
• M Performance exhaust
• Back seats cannot be folded anymore
• 4 paints only : Alpine White,Misano Blue,Hockenheim Silver and Saphire Black
• Apparently no claim by BMW of any weight saving
  • Update: Regarding the weight I asked twice. First time I was told that BMW does not claim any saving for this car (vs the M2C). I asked again to another BMW person later and after checking his laptop he said weights look identical. I stealthily saw the screen and could read in 2 columns 1575 kg. If this a EU weight it would correspond to 1500 kg (a figure mentionned to another forum member) DIN, representing a 50 kg saving vs the M2C manual. If 1575 kg is a DIN weight it could be a figure for the DCT version but in that case would just be identical to the M2C with DCT. From what we know about the car I hardly see how they could have gained 50 kgs. I suspect that if there is any gain it is relatively modest and therefore not worth to advertise.
• Climate control unit seems a little bit different than on my late 2018 M2C
• Start of Production : 3/2020
• End of Production : 12/2020 i.e 9 months production only
• 2200 cars worldwide, 100 for Benelux
• No word of a possible CSL version after (believe they were clueless more than trying to hide anything)

Was definively not convinced by the combo blue paint /gold wheel/red caliper. Others combo should work better. Also think the large mesh of the carbon roof does not look that nice. The dome of hood is not very noticeable although there is first a side recessed part than an elevation (may be this was due to the light of the room or the paint)
Should definitely be a great car but the base price is high (95 K Euro in Belgium) considering that it is mainly M performance and M4 competition bit and pieces added. Does not really feel unique.
M8 competition in frozen blue was also on display in the adjacent show room. Looks great but it is a big car !
Moderator edit:
The info above confirms the info in this earlier leaked M2 CS bulletin (original post: https://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1614985)
[img]https://cdn.bimmerpost.com/forums/at...2&d=1558367020[/img]

You mentioned M Performance Exhaust..Is that the M Sport Exhaust that comes with M4 Comp or is it actually the recently released MPE available on the M2C? Thanks

[GoneIn4Secs]

Originally Posted by M-Azing

You mentioned M Performance Exhaust..Is that the M Sport Exhaust that comes with M4 Comp or is it actually the recently released MPE available on the M2C? Thanks

Obviously its gonna be the same as the mpe for m2c

[M-Azing]

Originally Posted by GoneIn4Secs

Obviously its gonna be the same as the mpe for m2c

Not sure it's so obvious. Neither the M4 Comp nor the M4CS came with the "MPE" and believe the M Sport exhaust also has an "M" designation on it