[Poochie]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

...each additional CF part that's included from the start will drive the price up.

I get that but why spend all that R&D building all those parts and not use them? They don't even offer most of them as an option for M2C owners and that vehicle has like a two model year run before it's discontinued.

If I was a gambling man, I would say they going to throw on 2/3s of those MP parts on the CS and call it a day. Which is all good, IMO.

Still sweet they're sticking in new F series M adaptive suspension and a bonafide manual transmission. They could of been lazy and cheap and just slap on the MP coilovers but props to BMW for going back to the drawing board and developing fresh new dampers. They must be seriously about dialing in the handling on the CS.

[Benzima]

Anything new from today's pictures that we didn't know already?

[Advevo]

My M2C DCT weighs about 1625 kg with almost a full tank. Yesterday i put it on the scales 1625kg for this piggy! My SUV X1 2.5i xdrive is lighter!

So this thing should loose a lot of weight. If it s a car with some spoilers i am not spending my money on it. It MUST loose weight and lots of it!

[hellrotm]

Originally Posted by Poochie

I get that but why spend all that R&D building all those parts and not use them? They don't even offer most of them as an option for M2C owners and that vehicle has like a two model year run before it's discontinued.

If I was a gambling man, I would say they going to throw on 2/3s of those MP parts on the CS and call it a day. Which is all good, IMO.

Still sweet they're sticking in new F series M adaptive suspension and a bonafide manual transmission. They could of been lazy and cheap and just slap on the MP coilovers but props to BMW for going back to the drawing board and developing fresh new dampers. They must be seriously about dialing in the handling on the CS.

According to who?

[Poochie]

Originally Posted by hellrotm

According to who?

M adaptive suspension was never offered for the M2/M2C before, just the M240i, which has a different damping rate.

So to incorporate AS into the M2 chassis would require some retuning and one would assume; new dampers.

[Brake_Late]

Meh. Gotta use all of those parts somehow.

Geez yet another CS -

Already had all of those options in an m4 since 2015 - 🤷🏻

[hellrotm]

Originally Posted by Poochie

M adaptive suspension was never offered for the M2/M2C before, just the M240i, which has a different damping rate.

So to incorporate AS into the M2 chassis would require some retuning and one would assume; new dampers.

Where did you read it is getting adaptive suspension?

[Poochie]

Originally Posted by hellrotm

Where did you read it is getting adaptive suspension?

Oh, I see.. You're late to the party.

Some BMW insider here and the moderator confirmed it.

Details on the first page:

BMW M2 CS Specs: 445 HP, Manual and M-DCT, CF Roof, CCB, Adaptive M Suspension & more https://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1587312

[Brake_Late]

The M2 as a CS
is the one
late to the party with those bits. 🤣

[///M TOWN]

Originally Posted by Brake_Late

Meh. Gotta use all of those parts somehow.

Geez yet another CS -

Already had all of those options in an m4 since 2015 - 🤷🏻

True, but the M4 is slightly too large brosef !

The M2 Is like a nicely tailored suit.

Actually it's a better CS

[hellrotm]

Originally Posted by Poochie

Oh, I see.. You're late to the party.

Some BMW insider here and the moderator confirmed it.

Details on the first page:

BMW M2 CS Specs: 445 HP, Manual and M-DCT, CF Roof, CCB, Adaptive M Suspension & more https://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1587312

Thanks for link. Yeah, this thing isn’t going to be a penny under $85k with those additions. Plus options, which include the $8k carbon ceramics.

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by Brake_Late

Meh. Gotta use all of those parts somehow.
Geez yet another CS -
Already had all of those options in an m4 since 2015 - 🤷🏻

Territorial behavior ?

[Brake_Late]

Nope. I'm good.

[///M TOWN]

Dat Hood...

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by Poochie

I get that but why spend all that R&D building all those parts and not use them? They don't even offer most of them as an option for M2C owners and that vehicle has like a two model year run before it's discontinued.

If I was a gambling man, I would say they going to throw on 2/3s of those MP parts on the CS and call it a day. Which is all good, IMO.

Still sweet they're sticking in new F series M adaptive suspension and a bonafide manual transmission. They could of been lazy and cheap and just slap on the MP coilovers but props to BMW for going back to the drawing board and developing fresh new dampers. They must be seriously about dialing in the handling on the CS.

How much R&D could it be? Compared to what they're going to charge?

I didn't know about the adaptive suspension...I am actually surprised by that - do the M3/4 CS models have adaptive? I would have figured the simpler, fixed suspension would be the route they'd take.

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by Brake_Late

The M2 as a CS
is the one
late to the party with those bits. ��

Agreed - I said this in another thread, but this laboriously drawn out strip tease for the M2 CS is actually annoying, not exciting.

We've known that BMW has tested S55 equipped M2s far before the M2C was released...we have seen the M performance parts for the M2C for more than a year now...we know they have about 32828 different tunes for the S55...

NONE of this is new and/or exciting. Reveal the damn thing already, ridiculous price tag included.

[Poochie]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

How much R&D could it be? Compared to what they're going to charge?

I didn't know about the adaptive suspension...I am actually surprised by that - do the M3/4 CS models have adaptive? I would have figured the simpler, fixed suspension would be the route they'd take.

Even if it didn't cost them much to the develop all those MP parts, it's a 100% waste if it is never offered or baked into the price of a vehicle.

BMW has been offering adaptive suspension in their performance vehicles since the '80s. If there wasn't some benefit to them, I highly doubt they would even bother at this point in the game.

No company designs are every created to be wasteful; I'm sure any company this size has to get approval from several different folks before anything is green-lighted.


https://www.dscsport.com/2018/05/10/...ve-suspension/

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by Poochie

Even if it didn't cost them much to the develop all those MP parts, it's a 100% waste if it is never offered or baked into the price of a vehicle.

BMW has been offering adaptive suspension in their performance vehicles since the '80s. If there wasn't some benefit to them, I highly doubt they would even bother at this point in the game.

No company designs are every created to be wasteful; I'm sure any company this size has to get approval from several different folks before anything is green-lighted.


https://www.dscsport.com/2018/05/10/...ve-suspension/

I have lived with the "adaptive" suspension in my F80 for more than two years now. Perhaps mine is broken, but there is no appreciable difference between any of the modes when it comes to the suspension. I truly cannot tell. I put this into the placebo effect bucket, next to the butt dyno.

And as we go "up the ladder" so to speak from M --> MComp --> MCS --> MCSL, there's an argument that less is more, and the adaptive suspension would be one example of that. Less weight and more focused, for a supposedly more track focused machine, right? From my perspective, the adaptive suspension would make more sense on the M2C...

And I agree that BMW should and will seek to recover the costs associated with developing the M performance parts for the F87 platform...but I wonder how serious they are about selling those parts. Many were not available at the M2C launch, and I believe some (the CF roof for example) are still not available. Makes me question how much work was actually put into them, or maybe they just can't get their respective shit together - who knows?

One more thing on the suspension and I will shut up - have you driven a 981 with the X73 suspension? Quite a difference, feel and performance-wise, compared to the PASM equipped cars...at least in my book.

[medphysdave]

Modern adaptive suspension can be quite good, and I would argue the better choice for those that aren't going to set it up for a particular track(s). The beauty of a coilover set up is the ability to tune it to your liking. A shit setup on coilovers can be worse than a stock setup. The magnetic dampers on the Corvette seem to be quite good from what I've read, and can reconfigured.

I'm pro adaptive suspension on M2CS in case that wasn't obvious.

[Brake_Late]

[M3GymNut]

I have an F80 and I know the M2 is a different vehicle, but would you guys consider me going from an F80 to an M2CS a lateral move or an upgrade?

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by M3GymNut

I have an F80 and I know the M2 is a different vehicle, but would you guys consider me going from an F80 to an M2CS a lateral move or an upgrade?

I am considering the same move (maybe M2C, maybe M2CS) and I would consider it more of a lateral.

Higher fun factor with the M2C/CS, better interior in F80.

I like the smaller, shorter wheelbase in the F87 - the F80 is a little too big for my liking, but it is a great car. Just depends on what your wants and needs are for the car.