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Colour combo is a disaster, gaudy, tacky, I could go on. At least black and white are still available. Looking forward to what really counts, driving reviews and getting behind the wheel.
In some ways I wish I'd kept my deposit down but I suspect it will be out of my price range and difficult to get hold of, even being on a list. Trouble is, it's already starting to look dated, especially inside despite all the lipstick on it. |
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11-05-2019, 01:53 AM | #202 | |
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Search this website or check out M3 Cutters, Pistonheads, subject's been done to death already. Only you can decide which is best for you. Neither are better than the other. Just what you want from the car. |
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So a smaller M4 comp essentially? Ceramic brakes, comp seats, carbon roof - all of this stuff is available in M4 since a long time. So apart from the hand me down parts, is there anything new here?
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It looks great, last of the small grille performance BMW’s, and available with a manual box, which I wish was available in the M4CS.
However, I’ll stick with the visually more complete, and rawer interior of its bigger brother |
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First, they made so many N55s relative to the number of M2s it is ridiculous. Just about every other car in the fleet had an N55 at some point in some model. There is no way that makes sense. Second, almost none of those parts are off of an M3 or M4. The only part on the CS that is a direct carryover is the seat and even that is modified with alcantara, different stitching, and different leather. The brakes are much larger than what comes on the M3/M4 standard but are NOT the CCB gold calipers, because they only have steel caliper pistons not titanium. The roof is completely different because, you know, it's not even close to the same shape. The hood is completely different as well. Center console, dashboard... same thing. The wheels are the same as the M Performance wheels that have been available forever and are not the Orbit Grey finish from the M3/M4 CS. I think all the CS models are more of a way to extract money from your pockets, but the M2/M2C are definitely not to sell parts. There is no way the engineering and crash testing would make it worth it. They are just more fun to drive. |
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The 1M is also important for purists as it highlighted that M cars can be about a chassis and not need a bespoke motor End of the day it's fun to discuss and compare, but the market will inevitably decide |
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My guess is you'll never even get a chance to see one, in the flesh, before they are all spoken for. If BMW can't move a mere 500 ultra M2s, one of the most hyped model since the 1M, then something is seriously wrong with their marketing plan. |
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This sounds promising. However what is up w the stick shift, looks like a giant dongue.
Looks decent but needs, DCT, Ceramics, BBS F1R, Ohlins, ESS flash, carbon fenders, carbon trunk and Motorsport wing. My wife can drive it. That would probably work better. Why are they using steel and not something a bit more lightweight. |
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11-05-2019, 03:39 AM | #215 | |
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What I really want to know is why BMW continues to use 2x2 twill carbon fiber when the roof is 1x1 plain. The only time everything matched was with the E46 M3 CSL. I hate 2x2 twill. |
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Once all that is changed up I think it would be fun. |
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11-05-2019, 03:55 AM | #217 |
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BMW Marketing at full PSI again I see. 2020 Model Year only 2,200 will be produced worldwide (U.S. production numbers still TBD) 444 hp / 406 lb-ft torque Thats cool? 7600 rpm redline 6 speed manual or 7 speed DCT 3.8 second 0-60 (DCT) Neat 4.0 second 0-60 (manual) Neat 174 mph top speed Neato Three radiators, an oil cooler, two pumps in the oil pan, oil sump baffle Not new Transmission oil cooler (when equipped with DCT) Not new Electronic locking differential in the rear helps maintain traction both on the track and in slippery situations Not new Standard adaptive dampers with Comfort, Sport, and Sport+ modes About time? Steel subframe bolted to the body frame without bushings Not new Forged aluminum rear five-link suspension control arms and wheel hubs Interesting 15.75-inch vented rotors with 6-piston fixed calipers up front sure 14.96-inch vented rotors with 4-piston calipers in rear sure Optional Carbon Ceramic Brakes waste of money 19-inch forged wheels in a staggered setup with 245/35R19 tires up front and 265/35R19s in back Same set up High-gloss black finish wheels standard OK? Matte gold finish wheels optional Ok.. Michelin Cup 2 tires or summer performance tires Nice addition Carbon fiber vented hood (1/2 weight of steel hood, increases downforce and has cooling effect) looks the part Carbon fiber front splitter, rear spoiler, rear diffuser, and M mirrors Now new Carbon fiber transmission tunnel (saves 6 pounds) A whole 6 pounds guys Carbon fiber roof About time? Alcantara dashboard, armrests, and steering wheel Neato CS badge embroidered on dashboard Brag rights Black leather and Alcantara M Competition front seats featuring CS logo Looks like real leather this time around? Embroidered BMW M Motorsport stripes on front seats Neat 4 exterior colors: Alpine White, Misano Blue Metallic, Black Sapphire Metallic and Hockenheim Silver Metallic Wow.. 1 interior color: black WOW.... Only options are: 7-speed dual-clutch transmission, carbon ceramic brakes, matte gold wheels, and sticky Michelin Cup 2 tires. Pricing and ordering details will be announced closer to the 2020 M2 CS's launch in spring 2020. I don't know about you all, but at the price point this car is being pushed at there's not enough innovation going on. For example: 1. Lack of HUD 2. ACTUAL weight reduction 3. Track ready car (I'm certain this car is tuned just good enough) with real suspension work 4. How about at the least coating that cow udder black??? Its not hard! 5. On that same line, that looks like the regular exhaust.. Not even an Mperformace exhaust eh? 6. Why not add some of their bucket seats? They are plug and play. Rear seat delete option maybe? I'm not in the market for this car, and if I were, I would look at other offerings. It's just an M2C with a side of rice. |
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+1 No HUD-Really...on a $80K(ish) car. Probably my biggest complaint, along with that exhaust. Can't believe their management team let them get by with that thing dangling. Will make the jump to a M4 before they go out of production. Better value and you get more for your money. |
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Design wise you get a butt load of carbon from the M Performance shopping list, three new carbon parts developed by BMW M (roof, bonnet and spoiler) and new tailpipes on an exhaust. Oh and in the interior there is a bit more Alcantara and carbon as well. The carbon tunnel is great, but I would not be able to fit it if I want to keep my arm rest... Uhmmm MR |
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This will likely be $90k+ It's not really the same situation. The 1M was a car a LOT of people could have bought; this, like the M3CS and M4CS, is expensive and will only appeal to a limited audience. The M3CS and M4CS didn't exactly fly off the shelves... Personally this M2CS just looks like an M2C with every catalogued M accessory added; doesn't feel like a unique car in that respect.
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