[MooMooM2]

Originally Posted by ///MPhatic

Agreed. It's almost as if the G was designed for people to take it over the top, so it looks very awkward in stock form. I'm not into that overblown type of styling, but many are.



The S58 sounds good, not as good as the N55, but vastly better than the S55. I agree about the shifter, but feel like with a few mods the current 6MT is as good or better than the new one. They are both worse than a new Mustang Dark Horse, which is, well, sad.



Agreed.

yeah its sad that they did not make a good shifting experience, we all know they could have. However when reviews talk about how bad BMW manuals are I just think that its not a super hard or expensive aftermarket fix so its not like you are stuck with a crappy shifting experience (and its not that bad its just not good and you would expect that from a 60k+ dollar car).

I do also agree with your point early about the price, its still a good deal for what you get and with all the new nicer interior I get why they are able to price it higher but starting to be at a price where its not the deal of the century anymore like the OG was (the comp was too but the OG was downright a bargain when it was released)

[allinon72]

Originally Posted by ///MPhatic

Agreed. It's almost as if the G was designed for people to take it over the top, so it looks very awkward in stock form. I'm not into that overblown type of styling, but many are.



The S58 sounds good, not as good as the N55, but vastly better than the S55. I agree about the shifter, but feel like with a few mods the current 6MT is as good or better than the new one. They are both worse than a new Mustang Dark Horse, which is, well, sad.



Agreed.

After owning a S58 in an X3MC for a while, it sounds better but not dramatically in my opinion. Cold starts are still horrible, high pitched raspy mess. Driving around town, comparing both on with a warm engine, not that much difference to my ears. . I was a little disappointed after buying the X3MC because I thought it would add that aspect of the driving experience that I was missing from my M3, but it really didn't. I'd be interested in seeing what the overall sentiment is on the G80 forums about sound.

[///MPhatic]

Originally Posted by allinon72

After owning a S58 in an X3MC for a while, it sounds better but not dramatically in my opinion. Cold starts are still horrible, high pitched raspy mess. Driving around town, comparing both on with a warm engine, not that much difference to my ears. . I was a little disappointed after buying the X3MC because I thought it would add that aspect of the driving experience that I was missing from my M3, but it really didn't. I'd be interested in seeing what the overall sentiment is on the G80 forums about sound.

You would know better than me because I just listen to all of the "BMW's leaving events" videos. It's a good way to compare engine to engine over a myriad of models, years, and mods.

This one is a perfect example. Same location, same mic, same circumstances, easy to compare. BUT this is not real world ownership like yours, which is just as important IMO.

[mfarrzhp]

I do feel like Chris is trying to be a contrarian a little bit in the review. However, I really like the G87, and I believe he does too. I’d still rather have my CS, but the G87 is a great car.

The styling is not bad for current BMW standards. I don’t love the weight, but I also don’t love the weight of the F87. It seems BMW has figured out how to manage the extra mass.

F87 comps were going for low to mid 60s just about a year ago. $70 for a faster, newer model seems reasonable. I think I’ll begin to go older with my BMW purchases, but if I go newer it would be a base G80 or G87 (6MT). I’d get the carbon buckets, I’m tall and lean, so I don’t think they’d give me a problem.

[NYNick]

These manufacturers have figured out how to make heavy cars perform outstandingly. Even SUV's can be made to perform very, very well. The fact that they can improve on prior models is not only admirable, it's expected. It's what manufacturers do.

A cars looks shouldn't detract from performance, but they affect a persons opinion. Why?

In a perfect world cars should be judged objectively, but they aren't.

[allinon72]

Most would agree that the G87 is a great car, in a vacuum. But is it a great M2? That is the question. Should an M2 be celebrated for being an awesome grand tourer? Who knows, but it’s clear BMW is all in on this direction for the M brand.

[murderspice]

Originally Posted by MooMooM2

I like this cars cuz others love it

I assume you meant hate. Either way, idk how im supposed to respect someone’s opinion in the future when they say shit like this. So the car is good bc everyone hates it and you want to be an edgelord?

[MooMooM2]

Originally Posted by murderspice

I assume you meant hate. Either way, idk how im supposed to respect someone’s opinion in the future when they say shit like this. So the car is good bc everyone hates it and you want to be an edgelord?

thats what I meant yes. I dunno you should check out the review, I don't think he only likes the car cuz others don't but sure he said that to poke the bear for sure and I agree not the best way to review somethign

[///MPhatic]

Originally Posted by mfarrzhp

I don’t love the weight, but I also don’t love the weight of the F87. It seems BMW has figured out how to manage the extra mass.

Originally Posted by NYNick

These manufacturers have figured out how to make heavy cars perform outstandingly. Even SUV's can be made to perform very, very well.

Making the weight invisible on a road car isn't too hard, it's when you have to wrangle the thing for 20-40 minute sessions, or extract enjoyment out of it on your favorite back-road that it really starts to make itself known. Or if you compare it to a real Sports Car. And that says nothing of how fast it's going to go through tires and brakes...

Originally Posted by allinon72

Most would agree that the G87 is a great car, in a vacuum. But is it a great M2? That is the question. Should an M2 be celebrated for being an awesome grand tourer? Who knows, but it’s clear BMW is all in on this direction for the M brand.

I think you hit it right on the head here. IMO the base 2016 M2 really highlighted the fact that BMW got it right. Very right. And yes, they improved upon the car with the LCI, Comp, and CS, but even the CS was no more M2 than the standard car. The base car is and was what most guys want; the spiritual successor to the E46. And it remains so.

The G will never be loved like the E46 and F87.

[jefe2000]

Originally Posted by NYNick

In a perfect world cars should be judged objectively, but they aren't.

I’m not sure about this. If cars were just spec sheets, then sure. And, if they were judged only objectively, then we’d select down to one of everything (the very best truck design, the very best sedan design, etc.). But cars are very analog — both in how that spec sheet translates to real world feel and physical stylings — and so I think we’re very far from judging cars only objectively.

[E90076]

Originally Posted by allinon72

After owning a S58 in an X3MC for a while, it sounds better but not dramatically in my opinion. Cold starts are still horrible, high pitched raspy mess. Driving around town, comparing both on with a warm engine, not that much difference to my ears. . I was a little disappointed after buying the X3MC because I thought it would add that aspect of the driving experience that I was missing from my M3, but it really didn't. I'd be interested in seeing what the overall sentiment is on the G80 forums about sound.

That’s interesting. I have a X3MC with a AA midpipe and love the way it sounds, particularly on start up and idle with valves open. At the same time, I have an Akra Evo Line on my M2CS and I don’t really care for it… Definitely a related noise but the S58 has more of an N54 tone to it, which I really enjoy. Obviously all subjective though.

[allinon72]

Originally Posted by E90076

That’s interesting. I have a X3MC with a AA midpipe and love the way it sounds, particularly on start up and idle with valves open. At the same time, I have an Akra Evo Line on my M2CS and I don’t really care for it… Definitely a related noise but the S58 has more of an N54 tone to it, which I really enjoy. Obviously all subjective though.

Never got to any exhaust mods - perhaps that was the difference? Who knows.

[Reddevils7]

Originally Posted by E90076

That’s interesting. I have a X3MC with a AA midpipe and love the way it sounds, particularly on start up and idle with valves open. At the same time, I have an Akra Evo Line on my M2CS and I don’t really care for it… Definitely a related noise but the S58 has more of an N54 tone to it, which I really enjoy. Obviously all subjective though.

Titanium exhausts in general on the S55 definitely emphasize the more tinny, raspy notes. Pairing an AA single or EL mod with either the akra or mpe catback definitely helps on that aspect. Can't speak too much on the s58 as I haven't heard one in person with a titanium exhaust but it does have an equal lengthening midsection from factory and I think that plays a big part in why people subjectively favor s58>55 in terms of noise

[m2ss]

Originally Posted by DanG

Unlike the first years of the F87 all three local dealers have G87 M2s in stock.

So I just had a look at Autotrader Canada and there are 19 2020-2021 M2Cs for sale and 64 g87 M2s for sale.

Looks like you're right...

Some used ones are under $80k CAD...you do the math.

[///MPhatic]

Originally Posted by m2ss

So I just had a look at Autotrader Canada and there are 19 2020-2021 M2Cs for sale and 64 g87 M2s for sale.

Looks like you're right...

Some used ones are under $80k CAD...you do the math.

That's good news for the guys that like them, as it means discounts for sure.

[m2ss]

Originally Posted by ///MPhatic

That's good news for the guys that like them, as it means discounts for sure.

Here's one in Montreal with 1200kms for $79,777 CAD or approx $59k USD.

Not sure if that's a bargain or not as I don't know US used prices...

https://www.autotrader.ca/a/bmw/m2/m...%206L7&sprx=-1

[Reddevils7]

Originally Posted by m2ss

Here's one in Montreal with 1200kms for $79,777 CAD or approx $59k USD.

Not sure if that's a bargain or not as I don't know US used prices...

https://www.autotrader.ca/a/bmw/m2/m...%206L7&sprx=-1

I test drove a used G87 with 4-5k miles a few weeks ago. It was the 8sp with cf seats and roof. Dealer wanted $70k USD. Supposedly he had just gotten an offer on the phone minutes before he gave me keys 🤷🏽 Drove it for a good half hour on the back roads. The only thing I wish my CS had from the G87 would be the cf seats and the adjustability on traction control. I actually dislike the interior on the G8x otherwise. The pure digital dash is annoying. No more hotkeys, etc. you can't even adjust the ac/heat without taking your eyes off the road for more than a split second. It's heavy but I didn't feel the weight as much as I would've thought, especially compared to the G80 I drove previously. That car felt like a tank and had way too much body roll (felt like I was driving a 5 series). I suspected the shorter wheelbase here had a lot to do with it. It's a great car as a daily driver for someone looking for a one car garage. It's more complaint and easier to live with like Chris said but who actually wants that in the M2? Even then, the stock CS isn't too harsh or uncomfortable. I had no problems using it as a daily last year even though it's lowered on KW HAS. I don't understand why BMW thinks every car in the M lineup should comfortable anyways. This isn't supposed to be a grand tourer. Chris probably thought it was much more complaint because he's comparing it to coilovers on his CS, like someone above posted earlier.

Now that I bought an E92 on stock EDC suspension, I made that my daily. The CS is a summer only weekend car now. I'm blessed enough to have 2 cars so that's why I prefer my second to be a bit more savage/analog/driver oriented. At this point, I don't think I would ever buy another *NEW* BMW for myself. Maybe down the line a F10/90 M5 or M6 but that's about it, nothing newer than the F Gen. And if I ever sell my CS it'll be for a GT3 most likely

[m2ss]

Originally Posted by Reddevils7

It's more complaint and easier to live with like Chris said but who actually wants that in the M2?

Precisely.

Now there are options for all, I prefer the rawness of the F87 and have my comp on the Dinan HAS and love it.

It's my daily and it never fails to put a stupid grin on my face...

[baggiedamu]

m2ss

How are you liking the dinan HAS? Any issues?

[m2ss]

Originally Posted by baggiedamu

m2ss

How are you liking the dinan HAS? Any issues?

Zero issues so far other than feeling slightly stiffer (which I don't mind) and stance looks pretty good IMHO...

[///MPhatic]

Originally Posted by m2ss

Zero issues so far other than feeling slightly stiffer (which I don't mind) and stance looks pretty good IMHO...

The HAS kits take time to kill the struts, but most assuredly they will. Your ride will get worse and worse until it's unbearable.

[Reddevils7]

Originally Posted by ///MPhatic

The HAS kits take time to kill the struts, but most assuredly they will. Your ride will get worse and worse until it's unbearable.

And then you have even more of a reason to switch to proper coilovers