Spied: BMW M2 CS Prototype With LCI Parts, Larger Brakes and M3/M4 Exhaust

Red Bread · 07-21-2017, 12:23 PM

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That begs the question: are we seeing here a stock M2 (N55 with maybe some more horses under the bonnet) versus an M2 CS (S55), or are we seeing here an M2 CS (N55 with some more horses under the bonnet) versus an M2 GTS (S55) ?

Actually you are seeing a B58 similar to the X3 M40i in the 2018 M2 and the CS.

I highly.. Highly doubt they would swap motors mid model year.

Wouldn't be the first time. E36/8 and /7 changed from the S50b32 and S52b32 US to the S54 mid cycle.

evolution80 · 07-21-2017, 02:59 PM

as long as it doesnt get proper ///M mirrors...

then i would have traded in my 1M for a F80 for nothing...

i simply needed the mirrors...

good job bmw marketing btw. i wonder how many more M3s and M4s you sold just by taking away the mirrors from the ///M2

Artemis · 07-21-2017, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by evolution80

as long as it doesnt get proper ///M mirrors...
then i would have traded in my 1M for a F80 for nothing...
i simply needed the mirrors...

good job bmw marketing btw. i wonder how many more M3s and M4s you sold just by taking away the mirrors from the ///M2

There is an explanation though...

JustChris · 07-21-2017, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Artemis

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as long as it doesnt get proper ///M mirrors...
then i would have traded in my 1M for a F80 for nothing...
i simply needed the mirrors...

good job bmw marketing btw. i wonder how many more M3s and M4s you sold just by taking away the mirrors from the ///M2

There is an explanation though...

It was all about the earodynamics. Apparently they were better with F22 wings.

Or so it goes in folklore.

Artemis · 07-21-2017, 04:47 PM

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It was all about the earodynamics. Apparently they were better with F22 wings.
Or so it goes in folklore.

Yup, that's the official story.

Excerpt from a BMWBlog interview with M2 designer Al-Attar, tackling the M mirrors versus M235i mirrors topic too:

«We asked Al-Attar about some of the more controversial styling cues of the M2, as well, like the controversial issue with the lack of M mirrors. The M2 mirrors are pulled straight from the M235i while fans wanted the same mirrors from its bigger M brothers.
Al-Attar says that the team noticed during aerodynamics testing that the M mirrors actually fared worse than the M235i’s on the M2. This is likely due to the higher body of the M2 over the M3 or M4. So the M235i mirrors stayed because they offered superior aerodynamics.
The other reason for the lack of M mirrors is the need to differentiate between the M2 and the M4. “What we tried to do with the car is to keep a respectable distance from the M4; the car is very sporty, very fun to drive, but we wanted to keep the distance in positioning the car in the market,” Al-Attar mentioned.»

F87LUV · 07-21-2017, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Artemis

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Originally Posted by JustChris

It was all about the earodynamics. Apparently they were better with F22 wings.
Or so it goes in folklore.

Yup, that's the official story.

Excerpt from a BMWBlog interview with M2 designer Al-Attar, tackling the M mirrors versus M235i mirrors topic too:

«We asked Al-Attar about some of the more controversial styling cues of the M2, as well, like the controversial issue with the lack of M mirrors. The M2 mirrors are pulled straight from the M235i while fans wanted the same mirrors from its bigger M brothers.
Al-Attar says that the team noticed during aerodynamics testing that the M mirrors actually fared worse than the M235i’s on the M2. This is likely due to the higher body of the M2 over the M3 or M4. So the M235i mirrors stayed because they offered superior aerodynamics.
The other reason for the lack of M mirrors is the need to differentiate between the M2 and the M4. “What we tried to do with the car is to keep a respectable distance from the M4; the car is very sporty, very fun to drive, but we wanted to keep the distance in positioning the car in the market,” Al-Attar mentioned.»

Higher body? She needs a drop.

Problem solved. Give me my damn mirrors.

WAY · 07-21-2017, 06:32 PM

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It was all about the earodynamics. Apparently they were better with F22 wings.

I see what you did there.

kiysersosae · 07-21-2017, 06:43 PM

This is likely due to the higher body of the M2 over the M3 or M4. So the M235i mirrors stayed because they offered superior aerodynamics.

Meaning, we couldn't be arsed sorting it out or investigating it much so we just left the shit 235i mirrors on.

ABPReader · 07-23-2017, 12:51 PM

The m235i's mirrors are grey... the m2 doesn't even have the mirrors of a MPerformance car...

Artemis · 07-23-2017, 03:01 PM

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The m235i's mirrors are grey... the m2 doesn't even have the mirrors of a MPerformance car...

Well, you can buy the CF M Performance mirror covers to get you the impression that the side mirrors are ///M-ish.

kiysersosae · 07-23-2017, 05:33 PM

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Well, you can buy the CF M Performance mirror covers to get you the impression that the side mirrors are ///M-ish.

Apparently the CF m performance mirror covers add the equivalent of 10bhp (5 each side) due to the reduction of drag and the less weight. I've also heard the silver ones add no power. Can anyone confirm any of this?

Artemis · 07-23-2017, 07:47 PM

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Apparently the CF m performance mirror covers add the equivalent of 10bhp (5 each side) due to the reduction of drag and the less weight. I've also heard the silver ones add no power. Can anyone confirm any of this?

Dumbo seems to be fairly pleased with the aerodynamic advantage of his M235i side mirrors over the M3/M4 side mirrors.

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kiysersosae · 07-24-2017, 02:33 AM

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Dumbo seems to be fairly pleased with the aerodynamic advantage of his M235i side mirrors over the M3/M4 side mirrors.

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There it is, rock solid proof that the M235I mirrors are far superior to the M3/M4 type.

technik330 · 07-26-2017, 05:57 PM

How great would it be if the M2 CS simply debuted with ///M mirrors and we never actually saw them on a mule?

Oh, right, I'll get back to real life.

kiysersosae · 07-27-2017, 02:20 AM

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How great would it be if the M2 CS simply debuted with ///M mirrors and we never actually saw them on a mule?

Oh, right, I'll get back to real life.

Even if it came with just one mirror, on the drivers side, that would make me so happy! The car is worthless without the M3/M4 mirrors.

JustChris · 07-27-2017, 03:23 AM

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How great would it be if the M2 CS simply debuted with ///M mirrors and we never actually saw them on a mule?

Oh, right, I'll get back to real life.

Even if it came with just one mirror, on the drivers side, that would make me so happy! The car is worthless without the M3/M4 mirrors.

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I think it might just come with them...no wait it's an even smaller production niche than the M2 it can't possibly...or can it an M2CS owner will pay to play....no...yes....release the dam car already!

Artemis · 07-27-2017, 06:38 PM

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Even if it came with just one mirror, on the drivers side, that would make me so happy!

That's going Sonny Crockett Testarossa style !

ZPrime · 07-27-2017, 07:59 PM

I personally think the M-mirrors are ugly and strange looking.

M.B. · 07-28-2017, 05:49 AM

Managed to get a hold of press passes for the Frankfurt autoshow pre-days during my Welt delivery.
What do you guys say, any chance to see a CS over there?

Would suck quite badly to see an S55 CS in person, driving a two day old N55 car

N54 · 07-28-2017, 03:08 PM

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Managed to get a hold of press passes for the Frankfurt autoshow pre-days during my Welt delivery.
What do you guys say, any chance to see a CS over there?

Would suck quite badly to see an S55 CS in person, driving a two day old N55 car

If they are showcasing the new M5 there, unlikely to see the M2 CS as well?

stefan · 07-28-2017, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by M.B.

Managed to get a hold of press passes for the Frankfurt autoshow pre-days during my Welt delivery.
What do you guys say, any chance to see a CS over there?

Would suck quite badly to see an S55 CS in person, driving a two day old N55 car

It won't be worth the price difference, trust me. And dct only.

lax01 · 07-28-2017, 05:57 PM

Both of those cars were DCT...that's for sure

Not sure I get the hate on the mirrors

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