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      03-12-2019, 11:25 PM   #67
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Wait, flagship and M2? What did I miss? 1ers weren't made in Munich, neither are the current 2ers. So what really changes if it goes to MX?

Like I said earlier, many 3ers were made elsewhere. Hell, my M Coupe was made in North Carolina and I liked it more than many Munich made BMW's, a Leipzig one, a Regensberg one and a Rosslyn one.

Country of manufacture doesn't really matter to me. If the car is well engineered, then it will likely be a good car.

Maybe it's because I worked in Germany for a German company, but I don't see why you think a German union employee is going to wield a torque wrench with any sort of magic skill set than a similarly trained employee in another country is going to. And yes, what you described is xenophobia to a t.
M2 is an M division product; the M division BMW's highest performing, most bespoke, and most exclusive product line.

We are just going to have to agree to disagree here. I'm not saying the quality won't be up to par, but part of the joy of owning such cars is the exclusivity and experience that comes along with it. The European delivery experience is a huge perk of such cars.

This probably won't hurt sales, but as BMW enthusiasts on a BMW forum it's natural that we are going to complain about this.
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To be fair, they are made in Lansing, MI now.

It's still a dumb slogan, as "American" could mean Canada, the US, Mexico, or anywhere in Central or South America. When someone says "Make America Great Again", I just ask, "Which one?"

My father gets upset when a "damn Toyota" wins a NASCAR race, even though it's a) barely a Toyota at all, and b) even a Toyota is more "American" than many cars from the big 3.
I grew up in metro Detroit and while this mindset isn't as prevalent as it used to be, I still see it whenever I visit. It's a pretty sick and backwards mindset to have, I feel sorry for people who buy into it.

One of the best things that happened to my family was dad getting the fk outta GM. His and my mom's careers [and salaries] went through the roof.
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Wait, flagship and M2? What did I miss? 1ers weren't made in Munich, neither are the current 2ers. So what really changes if it goes to MX?

Like I said earlier, many 3ers were made elsewhere. Hell, my M Coupe was made in North Carolina and I liked it more than many Munich made BMW's, a Leipzig one, a Regensberg one and a Rosslyn one.

Country of manufacture doesn't really matter to me. If the car is well engineered, then it will likely be a good car.

Maybe it's because I worked in Germany for a German company, but I don't see why you think a German union employee is going to wield a torque wrench with any sort of magic skill set than a similarly trained employee in another country is going to. And yes, what you described is xenophobia to a t.
Where? NC....USA? Where?

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Haha BMW M2's are going to pay for the wall....

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Guys,

The Tiexi Plant in Shenyang, China, annually outputs about 1/4 of total BMW branded vehicles globally in 2018. Tiexi has the most advanced technology in the world and is probably, at this point, the single biggest BMW plant in terms of output (or anything), or so will it be this year or next. Tiexi now produces 1/3/5/X1/X3 and BMW petrol B48/B58 engines. And soon the X2/X5.

BMW blows Mercedes and Audi way way out of water in China in term of local Manufacture Capability. Mercedes is now even struggling to make extruded aluminum door penal for its E class locally.

I visited BMW Tiexi factory in 2016 (the year it was built) and was deeply impressed as a global supply chain manager, who knew one thing or two about the manufacture. It has an extremely high level of automation throughout the production line. Very very few human operation and little to no room for the human skill derived quality variance. It can produce any model in its best possible form should BMW wants.

The results is that the China locally made BMWs have just as good quality as if not better than German ones. But high end models are not made in China in order to protect the Intellectual Property. At the end of the day, BMW just has a joint venture here.

That being said. I highly doubt BMW would treat Mexico the same way as it does to China, an extremely important strategic market now and in the future.
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Just one request with the new M2 -- OFFER INDIVIDUAL PAINT!!

I would have probably bought a base M2 over a used M3 if they would let me paint it purple with an amaro interior.

I would prefer a German built M car as well. Maybe because I have seen videos of where 911s are built, and where dodge vipers are built. The difference is pretty stark. No wonder vipers and teslas have so many quality control issues and variations in panel gap.

And i'm not biased towards Germany. I loved that my GTR was built in japan by specialized engineers as well.
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No Euro delivery probably ;/
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I was planning to buy a next-gen M2, but I won't if my only option is to buy one that is made in Mexico. What a shame that will be.
Who cares if it's made in Mexico? You really are not going to buy the vehicle because of that? Wow...
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would you prefer that your car is built in a place where workers get treated well ? Where there is universal healthcare ? where gang violence is not prevalent and workers can park in a secured lot? where there is a great cafeteria in house? Where workers get a uniform and don't show up in a Hawaiian shirt and sweats?

Just some things to consider. Not all car factories are the same.
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Wait until BMW is just a shell German company with all production outside the EU!
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would you prefer that your car is built in a place where workers get treated well ? Where there is universal healthcare ? where gang violence is not prevalent and workers can park in a secured lot? where there is a great cafeteria in house? Where workers get a uniform and don't show up in a Hawaiian shirt and sweats?

Just some things to consider. Not all car factories are the same.
Maybe don't believe everything Trump claims about Mexico.

The organization I work for has a manufacturing facility is Mexico. Out of our world wide facilities (including the US) it's the top performing facility in terms of throughput and quality. It has everything you listed above, except universal healthcare, which is why we offer a plan to those employees. The country of origin does not matter if it the infrastructure makes sense and there are good processes in place to support the workforce. In my experience, if you support the workforce, they'll support you by taking pride in their work and creating quality products. The 2 series plant will be no different. If it struggles, it'll be the fault of BMW management, not the fault of the country's people.
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No Euro delivery probably ;/
Mexico City delivery experience
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Where? NC....USA? Where?

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Haha, about that...

South it is.
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I was planning to buy a next-gen M2, but I won't if my only option is to buy one that is made in Mexico. What a shame that will be.
Who cares if it's made in Mexico? You really are not going to buy the vehicle because of that? Wow...
Correct. I'll likely buy a GT4 instead. I like my premium German cars and German firearms too for that matter to be made in Germany. If BMW is going to build in Mexico for financial gain, where is my discount at? I can assure you there wouldn't be one, and for me, that's just too messed up for me to play ball.
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Make sure you check for any rattle noises

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/globalne...in-mexico/amp/
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Maybe the Mexican factory can be equipped to paint the G87 M2 in more than 4 colors.

I mean, if they start planning now, and try really hard, it just might happen.
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Some of the comments made are childish, immature and provincial. You wonder why BMW drivers have a bad reputation, just read this thread.

Wasn't that long ago that no one would buy an American made car. Or for that matter BMW's from Spartanburg.
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Some of the comments made are childish, immature and provincial. You wonder why BMW drivers have a bad reputation, just read this thread.
Wasn't that long ago that no one would buy an American made car. Or for that matter BMW's from Spartanburg.
I repost here my comment made in the M2 section about the same topic:
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This thread is not supposed to be turned into a political discussion. For politics, feel free to post in the dedicated section.

However, exceptionally, IMHO it is appropriate to make the following remark: it is saddening and disappointing to read comments in this thread reflecting low esteem, prejudice and lack of respect for/about Mexico and its people. Shame on you. Respect is a core value.

For the record: during the second half of last century, Leipzig was part of the German Democratic Republic (D.D.R. aka East Germany), which was part of Comecon (an economic organization from 1949 to 1991 under the leadership of the Soviet Union). As we all know, after the fall of the Soviet Union and communist rule in Eastern Europe, Germany got reunified (1990). Ever since, Leipzig flourished in many ways (and it continues to flourish).

BMW built a state-of-the art factory in Leipzig: the Leipzig plant, building BMW cars since 2005, including the F87 M2 nowadays. With all the R&D, infrastructure, tools, materials, protocols, formation, support, maintenance, quality control, etc. the Leipzig workforce undoubtedly gives its level best to deliver, day after day, car after car, like their colleagues in other BMW plants worldwide do.

BMW recently built a state-of-the art factory in Mexico: the San Luis Potosi plant, building the new BMW 3er this year.

So ask yourself: as the proof of the pudding is in the eating, isn't it outright unfair to assume that the workforce at the BMW San Luis Potosi plant won't manage to deliver like their colleagues in other BMW plants do ?

Everyone's entitled to a fair chance.

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Some of the comments made are childish, immature and provincial. You wonder why BMW drivers have a bad reputation, just read this thread.

Wasn't that long ago that no one would buy an American made car. Or for that matter BMW's from Spartanburg.
For the much lower wages and costs for producing a car in MX, I would expect a significant discount but given that m340i's are going for M3 prices I wouldn't count on it.
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If I'm spending this much money on a German car, I want it built in Germany

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I hope you realize 99% of BMW SAVs are built in South Carolina not Germany
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